reroll as a class that can do more than irritate the hell outta people and run away when you get in trouble.
or not, if a bard is your thing go for it, they are notoriously hard to kill but just as hard to kill with. I dont have alotta tips for a bard, mine never even made it to 9th but was a lotta fun as a lowbie pk on rallos.
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Re: Making a nuet bard on Sullon Zek
Bards are not hard to kill with at all. My bard has over 150 GSigs in the bank with about 99% of those comming from solo kills.
Once you get past lvl 49 you will be a force to be reckoned with. Once you hit lvl 60 and get manadrain and bard rapture you can kill anyone. If you hit 65 and get AAs you will be unstopable.
The lvl 60-65 bard dots do an incredible amount of damage. Coupled with a bards inate speed, debuffs, snares etc and you can coin anyone. Not to mention the quickest refreshing divine aura in the game (3 minutes, effects group) and you can take on manaburn wizards, lifeburning necros etc (just look for the graphic, DA casts faster than both).
Re: Making a nuet bard on Sullon Zek
<----------hasnt died to an even or close to even con bard ever.
last time I died to a bard he was 35 and I was 14 on my chanter and it took him almost 5 min to kill me. the only peeps who die to bards are either dumb enough to stick around or those who just cant get away.
if Xenora cant kill me then you flat out dont stand a chance. dont get me wrong, I am aware there are plenty of morons out there to kill, but I sincerly doubt you are getting many sigs from anyone with a brain and halfway decent skill.
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Re: Making a nuet bard on Sullon Zek
It used to be true that a lvl 60 bard would have a hard time killing people but things have changed recently. Xenora left SZ a while back so I can only assume you faced her without bard rapture (unresistable mez with a refresh time shorter than the mez time) and without the lvl 61-65 songs (looking at 500 dmg per tick PvP in dots alone).
Now its true that if you dot yourself and just gate the second you see a bard (or maybe even hightail it to the zone if you are close) you will probably get away. But this is true for most classes. Most of the time I can kill my lvl 61-65 opponent in under a minute. A really good strategy versus lots of opponents is to train them with a bunch of PoP mobs then FM when the train is ontop of your opponents. With SSS and VoS you can Saryn's Scream for ~350 dmg. Just watch your opponents health plummet and try and get that last hit in. Takes some practice but most bards are really good at judging health from all the swarm kiting we do.
Honestly my gear sucks and I can still kill people on a daily basis. The really well geared bards are taking on whole raid forces and sometimes even wiping out an entire raid. Granted if you think training is a dirty tactic and not honorable PvP you shouldn't play a bard....but you did say sullon zek =P
Re: Making a nuet bard on Sullon Zek
Yeah bard trains are perfectly capable of taking out entire raids, but for that matter so are any trains, your average raid cant handle 5-20 adds when they are dropped on the clerics suddenly.
and yeah its been awhile since I delt with Xenora. I have delt with the whole mez thing, and just like a chanter a bard cant actually kill you while you are mez'd just keep hitting you with it while taking you down with other stuff. it only takes one mistake and your average caster is long gone. personally I dont even bother, its just like fighting an sk with unholy steed only you know its gonna take longer to die to a bard.
although pillage enchantment seems to really get on bards nerves, if they are only self buffed you can really slowem down and it breaks the whole bard rhythm when you do that.
SoC or gate is usually more than enough for me, well that and my 170ish resists. I guess its a personal thing though. I consider bards to be about one step up the bluebie ladder from mb/instagate wizzies. if you came to a pvp server for pvp why would you choose a class with such little risk involved? I dont get it but some people just play that way.
Yes thats me, The Artist Formerly Known as Elegance.
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pilage enchantment is dispell? if so it doesnt bother me in the slightest, as I go into all deuls completly buffless. makes it easier to dispell dots and snares and stuff.
Re: bards
1. bard mana sieve and bard rapture are the most expensive and hard to find songs in the game ATM.
2. a paladin or SK will never die to a bard unless he goes LD/snared
3. bards seem to think its funny to dispel us; inc best tip ever vs bards "use jboots and gobby earring"
4. dispel magic of any kind is a bards bane. spam the pumice for max bard pissing off results. P.S. dispel removes songs VERY EASILY.
5. the best class against a bard is ironicly one of the worse pks. the enchanter will murder any bard inside or out. *TIP* for best results find a way to snare the bard as well as root him as your killing him with you pet. the pet outtanks most bards by himself, esp a completely debuffed bard.
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Lethdarr Registered User
Posts: 17
(9/18/03 1:48 pm) Reply
Re: bards
"1. bard mana sieve and bard rapture are the most expensive and hard to find songs in the game ATM."
bard rapture yes, mana sieve no, every newbie gets that from a 1 groupable mob, youd know that if you were above lvl 50
"4. dispel magic of any kind is a bards bane. spam the pumice for max bard pissing off results. P.S. dispel removes songs VERY EASILY."
Rofl, yea making them click thier instas or just recasting a very quick song is gonna piss them off, err wait no.
"5. the best class against a bard is ironicly one of the worse pks. the enchanter will murder any bard inside or out. *TIP* for best results find a way to snare the bard as well as root him as your killing him with you pet. the pet outtanks most bards by himself, esp a completely debuffed bard. "
Wow thats the most retarded statement you've made yet. maybe a chanter could own a retarded lvl 5 bard that cant play his MR song and is naked, other then that nope. You relise bards can pell snare/root off thm if by some miracle of god it lands, and cure tash, and on top of that just as easily pell the pet if its charmed, the chanter summoned pet wont do @#%$ other then slash for 50 a few times if hes lucky, it probly wouldent hit the bard at all as multiple chants go right past the chanters skin forcing him to gate or die.
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1. bard mana sieve and bard rapture are the most expensive and hard to find songs in the game ATM
If you consider 10k expensive then please pass the crackpipe. Ancient Mez is no drop and currently only top evil and neut bards have it. No big deal, its hardly necessary.
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4. dispel magic of any kind is a bards bane. spam the pumice for max bard pissing off results. P.S. dispel removes songs VERY EASILY
Again please try actually playing a bard before you make these rediculous statements. Bard songs go into the bard buff box which gets dispelled after the regular buffs. This means bard songs are the hardest buffs in the game to dispell. Selo goes to the regular buff slots but only a retard puts selos first. Again this is a rogue board and suggesting pummice for a class that has zero channeling ability is foolhardy at best. Besides even 1 instant click is enough to counter pummice.
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5. the best class against a bard is ironicly one of the worse pks. the enchanter will murder any bard inside or out. *TIP* for best results find a way to snare the bard as well as root him as your killing him with you pet. the pet outtanks most bards by himself, esp a completely debuffed bard
What level range are you talking about? Because it sure isn't the 65 game. It's kind of ironic as you put it because just before posting this I owned one of the best geared enchanters on the server. She managed to do a grand total of 0 damage.....you must be comparing enchanters to some seriously unskilled bards. Crimson potions + Highest MR in the game own enchanters period.
Not sure why I am wasting my time posting this but believe me bards are so far from gimped at 65 its not even funny. I'm just glad there are people like you out there on SZ. Like the 65 AA'd SK I coined indoors yesterday who reported me for crit nuking him for 1300 damage...surely I must be hacking! Believe me with how easy it is to get insane drums like Thunderous Drums of Karana, and some of the best PvP AA's for any class (FM and AA Bellow are incredible) Bards do not have it bad at all.
Edited by: Pickk Pockket999 at: 9/19/03 1:40 pm
WoodanSZ Registered User
Posts: 27
(11/26/03 5:52 am) Reply
l
If I ever get coined by a bard I will be afk or gang banged by 10 people.
Yeah, you win at running people out of zones with dispells, or killing the people stupid enough to stick around and let those weak dots kill them. The only thing that makes a bard powerful is the fact that they run so fast and have such high resists that you can't kill them.
Bard mez is a pain in the ass, but without buddies around a bard can't do @#%$ but train you when your mezzed, or break it with a crappy dot.
And as you mentioned, crimson pots > bard mez.
Bards are a great support class, deadly with a partner, but solo PvP they are just a nuisance.
I have killed bards on my bst with dispell before, some are stupid enough to have selos first slot.
Re: l
Bard mezzes.
IF broken via crimson potion / something similar:
Chain dispell, watch for insta's. (I play on a blue server, haven't come across any one with dedicated insta's so no idea how to combat them)
Test mezz occasionally to see if crimson is gone.
Once Crimson is gone;
Kill.
IF no break:
Dispell til mez gone.
Kill.
Now, bard nerf lately has made actually killing a bit tricky (our 96+ dps chants are pretty much impossible to not resist now). On some classes we just can't beat any more (wizzies, druids, rangers come to mind). Period. Runes, DS's, and resists are atm > bards, as our only dps is melee (which verily stinks). Now they might not be able to beat a bard, but the bard is definately not going to win (and if an AM3 + EQ ranger can't kill a bard, something is really messed up!)
However, other classes are so easy it's not funny. Rogues come to mind in particular. How to kill a rogue: See steps above. Then, sing 85 pt DS (+ potions + Shield of Pain items)and regen song and watch them rip themselves to shreds so fast it isn't funny. Same goes for any retard who dual wields vs a bard. Bards themselves don't really need to melee. Just stand around cheering the rogue on with back pressed against a wall/corner.
P.S. Our wonderful PoV (+saves to all) has a very nice and large ds, so no poisons or procs for you!
P.P.S. My strategy hasn't failed me yet, but isn't scrutinized by amazing pvpers / pvp geared people. So I have no idea how it'd REALLY work.
Re: l
Wizards are fairly easy to beat now. Just make sure you have plenty of hps, two decent weapons and lots of AAs. A barbarian mask helps too since bash refreshes about once a second.
It is pretty simple really, just stand there and melee them with 500 to all resists. Mix in some regen and you will most likely kill the wizard before he gets you in MB range, especially if you are manadraining while you melee. It is pretty unbeatable really and with the fairly recent instant horse nerf I'm not afraid of wizards anymore. There are several wizards on SZ that refuse to fight me because I resist lure of ro so frequently (at one point I resisted 20 in a row, that was a fluke though).
No, our biggest enemy right now are large damage shields buried beneath lots of instant clicks. Saryn's is so-so as well, at max singing mod it does 225 PvP or something like that. Nothing great but good enough to wear down a manadrained SK until they leave the zone in frustration. Sure we aren't gods of PvP anymore but it isn't all dire straights either.
Heck rogues have it worse expect for large scale battles.
Opatee Registered User lvl1
Posts: 3
(2/9/04 7:29 am) Reply
Re: l
Quote:A barbarian mask helps too since bash refreshes about once a second.
Explain this please? You mean that having barbarian illusion on as a bard allows you to bash during your melee attacks?
Re: l
Yes. That is one reason why the mask goes for ~ 200k on sullon zek. For a rogue it will grey out backstab but since bards don't have any melee timer attacks the bash is actually useful.
Just put the illusion on then go to your combat actions and bash will be available. Move it over to the hotkey bank and whenever you are in Barbarian form you can bash.
I think it might be bugged too because it is my understanding that normal bash only refreshes once every 10 seconds or so whereas the barbarian illusion bash refreshes more than every song (which is 3 seconds).
Re: l
bash is on the haste timer. I suppose if you were seriously hasted you could get it under 3 secs but it sounds like bards might have some weird bard thing going on.
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