Re: Stop Sweating over agi already
When I played my shaman I would basically tell anyone that asked for agi to eat ass. I'm not wasting mana on that @#%$ buff bad enough I had to FA them.. wish I could have removed the agi component from FA
Re: Stop Sweating over agi already
lol my shaman Deleted all the agi buffs I ever had but the one I used for junk buffs. just tired of people who still think this stat has any value at all.
Llan2193 Registered User
Posts: 31
(4/26/04 10:25 am)
Re: Stop Sweating over agi already
PvP melee follows different rules, anyone thats been playing long enough remembers the patches.
Rekcim Registered User
Posts: 476
(4/26/04 10:44 am)
Re: Stop Sweating over agi already
Hmm, agi still does something according to the post. Doesn't seem worthless to me. Nothing to cry about not having, but it did help.
Re: Stop Sweating over agi already
They're disappointed in a 3% increase in avoidance? I don't see anyone complaining about having +10 avoidance on their time gear.
skewerzjoo Registered User
Posts: 327
(4/26/04 11:00 am)
Re: Stop Sweating over agi already
agi still helps with defense skill ups...try getting that defense to rise with a skill under 100.....then get it to 200...big difference...
Re: Stop Sweating over agi already
Maybe I am behind on the times.... but agi still = ac right? granted not at a 1 to 1 ratio, but still. Tanks can use all the dang ac they can handle, and if thier agi isn't maxed why shouldn't they want the extra couple ac from an agi buff?
Re: Stop Sweating over agi already
agi increases the avoidance ac. There's 2 portions of ac 1) mitigation 2) avoidance. The UI only displays a rough number but it's made up of those two components.
Picture below gives you an idea of how it's broken down.
Re: Stop Sweating over agi already
its not 3% less damage, its 3 less hits out of 100, and to make this even more painfully clear the higher your agi the LESS you get out of it, as in going from 88 to 188 netted 3%, 188 to 288 would probably only net another 1% if that.
and this post wasnt aimed at the MT on raids, it was aimed at the lvl 35 in some pick up group who isnt even tanking and still wants agi. the MT gets whatever the MT wants but I have never once been asked for an agi buff from a MT on any raid I have been on and that includes a ton where I was the only shaman on the raid.
Re: Stop Sweating over agi already
Well perhaps the MT's just have max agi, personally I don't know any MT's that don't want max stats on raids. Wether it be dex, str, agi, or sta, they want it all maxxed out for the max bonus regardless of what that might be. 3 less hits out of 100 seems insignificant, but as Qutsemnie has pointed out that would theoretically work out to 3% less dmg. 3 less hits out of 100 is 3% less dmg(granted you have to allow for dmg variation but on average it should be 3% sometimes less sometimes more).
I do take your point of the low lvl(or high lvl player for that matter) getting all bent out of shape over any buffs (minus virtue, bo9, kazaad, kei, voq, sov). Worst thing when playing my shaman is when one person in the group says haste fades, then the rest of the melees proceed to inform me of the same information... I KNOW!!!! I buffed you all one after the other one buff goes they are all gonna go lol.
However when playing my shaman I always try to keep everyone fully buffed if I have the mana. 3% avoidance boost to a tank may yeild minimal results over the long haul, but talking casters.... they dodge one extra hit that may mean the difference between them taking a nap in the dirt or staying alive. So I pretty much try to keep everyone fully buffed regardless of how mimimal the gain might be, fact is I personally have survied soo many fights throughout my EQ career with less then 200hps I know any slight advantage can be the difference between dieing or not.
Grabber Registered User
Posts: 1
(4/27/04 3:16 am)
Re: Stop Sweating over agi already
When ( If ) you get to Uqua in the GoD expansion, you will be reconsidering not wanting that Agi buff ) you shall see....
Re: Stop Sweating over agi already
3% less hits does not equal 3% less damage. Unless the mobs you fight always hit for the exact same damage.
Gipp Hedgehogg Registered User
Posts: 33
(4/27/04 4:37 am)
Re: Stop Sweating over agi already
Sometimes they will hit for more, sometimes they will hit for less. It stands to reason that if you are hit 3% less, you will take ~3% less damage. Some fights it may be 1%, some it may be 5%.
Re: Stop Sweating over agi already
Oki lets settle this 3% less hits 3% less dmg thing.
These are all AVERAGES, no one here is trying to say if you bump up your agi from 88 to 188 you are automatically going to take 3 less hits per every 100 hits thrown at you or 3% less dmg per 100hits. The whole thing is based on averages. So it stands to reason if you average out the normal dmg taken per hit by a certain mob say :
hit 1 = 300
hit 2 = 500
hit 3 = 500
hit 4 = 300
hit 5 = 400
hit 6 = 600
hit 7 = 400
hit 8 = 300
hit 9 = 200
hit 10 = 500
Total dmg = 4000
Lets say that you avoid 3 of these hits. Obviously if you avoid hits 5, 6, and 10 you are going to avoid more dmg then if you were to merely avoid hits 1, 4, and 9, but there is now way of ever knowing how much dmg you would avoid on any given hit because you don't get a report saying "you would have been hit for 200 dmg but you avoided the blow". So you have to use averages. If you average out the dmg per hit :
4000/10 = 400dmg per hit
Then take that and multiply it by how many hits you avoided 3
400 * 3 = 1200 and divide that by total dmg 1200/4000 = 30% less dmg, same as if you divide 3/10 = 30% both are the same you avoid 30% of total hits thrown at you on average (again these are all averages they didn't get 3 less hits for ever 100 attacks in a row, they averaged out as 3 less hits per 100 attacks).
The numbers are the same, 3% less hits = 3% less dmg on average. Obviously you have to come to terms with the fact that every 100 attacks you aren't going to necessaryily avoid exactly 3 hits, and that every attack will not land fo the same amount of dmg. They are AVERAGES, Hopefully with this we can let the matter of 3% less hits doesn't mean the same thing as 3% less dmg rest... I beg you *grin*
Re: Stop Sweating over agi already
3% less hits is different than 3% less damage in one other way.
the rogue/ranger/monk/bard/whatever thats not tanking would have to get hit 100 times to reap the benifits,
your agi would have to be pitiful in order for the agi to have the full 3% effect.
and you have to find a 100point agi buff. unless I am mistaken thas Ferine Avatar, if you are grouped with an FA capable shaman and your agi is only 88 you need to be worried about more than 3% avoidance.
if you are low lvl and tanking AND some how get a 100point agi buff that nets you the full 3% adjustment what have you really saved? 3 hits out of 100? do exp mobs even hit 100 times before they die at lower lvls?
does anyone tanking for Velious or higher content not already have a 200 ish agi?
and if you are in GoD your agi is probably well over 200 already, and that 3% still woulnd do a whole lot for you, sure it might save your ass once but if you need a 3% extra avoidance to survive GoD you dont belong there. add to the mix the fact that CH doesnt care how many times you get hit or how much damage you have taken because it will still heal you to full and 3% is still nil.
bad enough I had to FA them.. wish I could have removed the agi component from FA 
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