When shall we five meet again?
So, when can we fit the next VT session in? I still have quite a lot of leave left, so I could easily take a day off as long as I get notice. If other peoples' schedules preclude this, can everyone set out when they could make a one day session in Sept, Oct or Nov.
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Anyone else? If we can't find a suitable date, maybe we should switch one of the STC dates to VT, as a 3 to 1 ratio seems a bit out of whack.
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Sorry guys, I'm afraid I just haven't got enough holiday to take any days off for a midweek VT again, though I may have a day in lieu I could take in late November/early December.
Of the Saturdays Pad posted, unless my 2-week holiday in October gets knocked back I can only make
Nov 18, Dec 2 (Dec 9th is when Placebo are playing).
Nevertheless, I'd much rather miss out on a session of VT, than lose an ST one. I'm vehemently opposed to messing with the ST schedule. I thought that VT was only ever supposed to be an additional AM game now that CB is coming to an end, not one in competition with ST for dates. My personal opinion is that ST comes first and VT just has to fit round it.
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My good friend Mr. McGowran, unsurprisingly I have to take a conflicting position to your recent statement.
I cannot condone your belief that the Severn Temple game automatically comes first.
While you are "vehemently opposed to messing with the ST schedule" I myself am fervently opposed to the VT game taking a back burner to its sister game.
Now while a VT session should never bump a scheduled ST game and vice versa, I do not see the VT game being a short term fill in for CB and it should not be treated as such when considering available dates. I'm sure there are others in the troupe who agree; and it concerns me that you view it in this light.
I myself can arrange to make all dates previously mention, and hope we can come to an amicable solution for both game dates.
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I certainly agree with Mike that we should not be messing around with weekends that we have already booked for Severn Temple. I am also happy to agree with Simon that where a VT day is booked it should be left unmolested. I do not see VT as a short term fill in for anything (and I'm fairly certain mike doesn't either) and I'm hopeful that it will continue its early promise to be a long term and much loved campaign. However, when this game was first moted it was agreed that it should not be to the detriment of the ST campaign. That means to me that where the 6 participants of that game can arrange weekends (a troublesome enough task in itself these days) those should be given the priority. Thereafter we can arrange the VT days around them.
It is not such a forlorn situation. Mike has highlighted 2 days that he can definitely make and the possibility of blagging a lieu day midweek. This should give us a good chance of getting 2 sessions in over the next 4 months.
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Easy tiger! I didn't say that I saw VT as a "short term fill in for CB", in fact I didn't say anything about it being short-term at all! I very much hope it will go on to be a long-term and much loved campaign like CB and ST. However, as Pad pointed out, when VT was first proposed it was done so on the basis that it wouldn't interfere with ST, hence the Saturday only game set-up, done so that we could play VT on weekends when Rosie didn't have enough time to run a weekend-long ST sesh.
Although there will always be difficulties sorting dates when we can all make it (my particular bad I know sorry), given that there are fewer of us on VT and Craig's not one of 'em it should be possible to run both regularly enough, just as CB and ST have peacefully coexisted for the last 10 years.
Anyhow, Mr Rose permitting, it sounds like we can pencil in Nov 18 and Dec 2 for a start!
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I can't make 2 Dec, but 18 Nov should be okay.
I think all this heartache over the relative merits of ST and VT is misplaced. I say let them run on an equal footing. Given that Craig can't make the next ST session, why don't we run VT instead, which will give us two of each campaign during the remainder of the year? I don't like forcing anyone to miss sessions, even when their Magus isn't present, so this seems like an equitable solution to both Craig's absence and Simon's desire for more than one VT session this year.
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I can make any of the dates proposed for VT so far (though the Nov one looks like the only one everyone can make).
Given that VT is day-long, involves less players and can be run (feasibly) any weekend and is therefore more flexible in terms of dates - it should be possible to run this game more than once every 4 Months!
Mike - are the number of possible Saturdays you can make really that restricted? Can you open up any others (e.g. by moving anything around)?
I can potentially make any Thursday available for a VT session (though it wouldn't go on very late).
I consider VT and ST to have equal importance - but ST sessions are generally more difficult to organise (due to the restricted dates I can run them), therefore I have no intention of cancelling them once they are booked. While Craig has no magus in the game currently we've already agreed to run an ST session that he misses.
For the record - the ST dates currently agreed are: September 23/24; October 28/29; December 16/17
Edited by: Badger101 at: 1/9/06 11:12
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Sorry, I've just booked a two week holiday in October which takes out the three Saturdays Pad listed, LRP on Nov 4th weekend, working Nov 11, Dec 9th is Placebo which both Pad and Nick are also going to and Dec 23rd is too close to Christmas.
However, all being well, I should be able to take off Thursday 30th Nov if that's any good? Otherwise, if I'm the only one preventing another sesh, then as I'm the main pain in the arse datewise, feel free to book one without me.
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I don't really see the argument that ST sessions are generally more difficult to organise as a valid reason not to switch the Sept session as (i) Mike's schedule demonstrates that VT is likely to be just as tough in practice and (ii) Sept is not a date that all ST players can make.
In practice, unless we switch the sessions, we will have a 3-1 ratio for the remainder of this year. Why not even them up at 2-2?
Mike and Pad have already said they are loathe to switch the sessions. Post the suggestion on the ST board - if Guy has no objection, then I'll vote in favour of switching the session to VT.
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To add a bit more content: Given that ST typically is a full w/e vs. just one day for VT, how on earth is it reasonable to schedule 8 more days of ST this year vs. 1 day of VT?
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Nick W, given that there are currently no CB sessions booked in for the rest of 2006, presumably, in the interests of AM parity, you'd have no problem with switching either the October or December ST weekend to a CB one? That way each campaign gets two days.
Quote:Don't be unrealistic. Please come up with a better argument.
It is 'unrealistic' precisely because it is unfair on Guy (imo) - who has dutifully booked that weekend free to play ST and, as far as I know, is looking forward to playing. If he were content to have that session cancelled, then I'd be happy to throw my weight in support of a VT session instead. However, as a troupe, I think we should be democratic about it; thus he should have a say.
I think a more 'realistic' solution is to try and find a Thursday we can book off - and play through Wednesday evening -> Thursday afternoon.
I'm as unhappy about the lack of VT slots as you are, Nick - however, I don't think the natural answer is to start cancelling ST sessions which have been booked for some time.
Quote:Nick W, given that there are currently no CB sessions booked in for the rest of 2006, presumably, in the interests of AM parity, you'd have no problem with switching either the October or December ST weekend to a CB one? That way each campaign gets two days.
No problem with this in principle. If ST sessions are the reason that CB cannot be run this year, go right ahead from my POV.
Quote:It is 'unrealistic' precisely because it is unfair on Guy (imo) - who has dutifully booked that weekend free to play ST and, as far as I know, is looking forward to playing. If he were content to have that session cancelled, then I'd be happy to throw my weight in support of a VT session instead. However, as a troupe, I think we should be democratic about it; thus he should have a say.
I think a more 'realistic' solution is to try and find a Thursday we can book off - and play through Wednesday evening -> Thursday afternoon.
I'm as unhappy about the lack of VT slots as you are, Nick - however, I don't think the natural answer is to start cancelling ST sessions which have been booked for some time.
I still think the fairest solution is to assign roughly equal priority to the two games; even switching one of the sessions would only partly do this (4 days vs 2 days), but at least it would be a step in the right direction.
I'd be happy to swap either the Oct or Dec ST games, but this doesn't make sense, as Craig can, I presume, make them, but not the Sept one. I hardly think the Sept session has been booked "for some time" given that it was originally mooted to play w/o Craig on 22 August and only confirmed today, according to the ST board.
All this boils down to the fact that I think the current schedule is unbalanced and particularly unfair to Simon. I take your point about Guy's schedule, Nick, but even under my proposed rearrangement, ST would still get twice the airtime of VT. How can this not be more equitable than the current schedule?
However, I guess from the various other posts that Nick, Pad and Mike don't share this POV, so we'll have to leave it as it is.
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Hi Chaps, I can't really get into this as I'm not having a great week. I'll have to leave it to the rest of you to figure out when we can play.
There's obviously several different views on what to do for the rest of this year, at the moment I don't feel comfortable about making comments about a game I'm not part of.
However I do believe that if planed right we shouldn't need to have this issue arise in the future. My only additional comment is that I'd like to see both campaigns given equal footing when we come to book for early 2007 games. I don't agree that we should have to slot in VT around ST and I would like to see both games have a equal amount of play time.
Quote:It may be possible to find an alternative saturday date for the VT that Mike will miss.
Yes indeed, given that I also said
Quote:if I'm the only one preventing another sesh, then as I'm the main pain in the arse datewise, feel free to book one without me.
But what about the idea of playing on a Thursday too? As I also mentionned Thursday 30th should be ok for me if that's any good for the rest of you guys.
it should be possible to run both regularly enough, just as CB and ST have peacefully coexisted for the last 10 years.
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