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expatinbritland
Cocoa Lover
Posts: 130
(11/4/04 4:52 am)


Re: Sadness in the result
Divine Power: thanks for the shoutout. It was a little while ago but it didn't go unnoticed. Welcome to the group. I really enjoy your posts.

Freenote: It was so nice to receive your emails. There is much love for you too. Is that all there is left? I surely hope not...

Daniel: Thanks for sharing your sentiment. I must admit I also had a feeling America needed another four years to realise how bad it was.

I'm a bit scared about the whole "faith" thing. Voting for someone because they believe in God, it's so utterly stupid. Anyone could claim that. And what God are they talking about? Greed, power and destruction are the only Gods this administration seems to worship. The likes of Rumsfeld and cheney really send a shiver down my spine.

Well you know, as long as there's no buggering going on in their state...

On the other side of the world there was another nutter who also believes in "God" who was rejoicing in his cave, no doubt. While the arab world were shaking their heads, so worried about the future, Bin Laden now knows he will have less trouble recruiting in the next 4 years because contrary to public opinion, he doesn't have that much support.

In Iraq they were apparently too busy trying to stay alive to worry about it.

Religion and politics don't go together. That's why there is seperation between church and state.

I'm deeply worried about this turn of events and yes, praying does seem to be what we're got left...

A big shout out to Maya, Star and secret (an ya all!!);)

Chen
Cocoa Lounger
Posts: 8
(11/4/04 8:49 am)


Re: Sadness in the result
First of all, thank you all so much for your kind words and advice regarding my first play. Your encouragement has gathered much courage inside of me to step forward with this journey.

I must say I was in a state of depression yesterday. What made matters worse is that I live and work in Miami amongst many conservative voters. Yesterday I sat at my computer, working quietly and had to listen to my coworkers talk about family values and how they feel safe. In one instance, I turned around and said, "I'm happy that you feel safe, do you think the people of Iraq feel safe right now? What about the families of over 100,000 civilians who have reportedly been killed?" The woman looked at me kind of hesistant. Then I said, "Oh I'm sorry, I'm asking you to think about the lives of others, I'm sorry, its all about ME, MYSELF, AND I. While you are sitting here SAFE, there all people dying everyday." She then replied, blame the insurgents, blah blah blah. I left her to her ignorance.

Now, it is the day after and no matter how much it hurts, we must move on. I believe we should take this time to reach out to our communities more than ever before. Right now, we are without a leadership that has our best interests and it is up to us to uplift each other. I urge everyone to contact their local non-profit organizations, volunteer, be a mentor, especially to the youth, write to their local legislative bodies and make your voices heard.

MayasHeartBeat
Cocoa Lover
Posts: 119
(11/4/04 2:05 pm)


Keeping in Touch with Mr. Kerry
Today is no one's turn to rest and everyone's turn to act.
John Kerry

As many of you, I too supported and subscribed to emailing with Sen. Kerry during his campaign. Here's his email to us yesterday and his email address to continue or to get in touch with the person we should consider as of now, the de facto leader of the Democratic Party. We need not wait until it's almost 2008 to ensure our country's needs are attended to. We can't pride ourselves on big country achievements when we're for starters negligent to establish proactive/productive and robust social security and health services systems; as such America is much like a house without toothpaste and tissue paper and on a regressive path to becoming an out-house. Fortunately, John Kerry plans to continue front and center on the more pressing issues the lack of a proper administration and use of intelligence has caused our land. Results of the recently-elect majority in our government administration promise we'll feel a true sense of our nation's bleak reality and we must, in order to validate our right to vote, stand by our word to improve ourselves, our country and our world. Aren't we the ones who against all odds thrived in the absence of our right to guidance from family and social leaders (dead or long lost parents and ignorant or corrupt leaders) and aren't we quite trained for independence? The election and the government and our awareness give US the mandate to not rely on the 1 man who thinks success is achieved through misdeeds. This game is not even over, it's half-time and we must regroup.

Realize it's good-bye Renquist, imagine Jeb in 2008, think all the Bills that were not passed, now passing. Ask yourself if you want to settle and be comfortable in the uncomfortable, much like now, yet again? Does your future generation deserve our negligence or does it deserve collective and individual power of our change and evolution today to secure their social alliances at home and the globe tomorrow.

We cried yesterday, and guess what, the boys were moving to their next plan. We lost a day already! Let's move onward and upward! Also some links if you want to immerse in some political science ... Maya

How To
www.senate.gov/pagelayout.../howto.htm
News
www.c-span.org
Terminology
www.c-span.org/guide/cong...halist.htm
House of Representatives
www.house.gov/
Legilsation, Constitution, Etc.
www.house.gov/house/Educate.shtml
Kids & Gov't
bensguide.gpo.gov/9-12/index.html
KEEP IN TOUCH W/Democratic Senators
www.senate.gov/general/co...y&Sort=ASC

Remember, we've not time to lose!
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Dear Maya,

Earlier today I spoke to President Bush, and offered him and Laura our congratulations on their victory. We had a good conversation, and we talked about the danger of division in our country and the need, the desperate need, for unity for finding the common ground, coming together. Today, I hope that we can begin the healing.

In America, it is vital that every vote counts, and that every vote be counted. But the outcome should be decided by voters, not a protracted legal process. I would not give up this fight if there was a chance that we would prevail. But it is now clear that even when all the provisional ballots are counted, which they will be, there won't be enough outstanding votes for our campaign to be able to win Ohio. And therefore, we cannot win this election.

It was a privilege and a gift to spend two years traveling this country, coming to know so many of you. I wish I could just wrap you in my arms and embrace each and every one of you individually all across this nation. I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Thank you.

To all of you, my volunteers and online supporters, all across this country who gave so much of themselves, thank you. Thanks to William Field, a six-year-old who collected $680, a quarter and a dollar at a time selling bracelets during the summer to help change America. Thanks to Michael Benson from Florida who I spied in a rope line holding a container of money. It turned out he raided his piggy bank and wanted to contribute. And thanks to Alana Wexler, who at 11 years old and started Kids for Kerry.

I thank all of you, who took time to travel, time off from work, and their own vacation time to work in states far and wide. You braved the hot days of summer and the cold days of the fall and the winter to knock on doors because you were determined to open the doors of opportunity to all Americans. You worked your hearts out, and I say, don't lose faith. What you did made a difference, and building on itself, we will go on to make a difference another day. I promise you, that time will come -- the election will come when your work and your ballots will change the world, and it's worth fighting for.

I'm proud of what we stood for in this campaign, and of what we accomplished. When we began, no one thought it was possible to even make this a close race, but we stood for real change, change that would make a real difference in the life of our nation, the lives of our families, and we defined that choice to America. I'll never forget the wonderful people who came to our rallies, who stood in our rope lines, who put their hopes in our hands, who invested in each and every one of us. I saw in them the truth that America is not only great, but it is good.

So here -- with a grateful heart, I leave this campaign with a prayer that has even greater meaning to me now that I've come to know our vast country so much better and that prayer is very simple: God bless America.

Thank you,

John Kerry
info@johnkerry.com

Edited by: MayasHeartBeat at: 11/5/04 4:32 pm
ValentineGirl81 
Cocoa Lounger
Posts: 69
(11/4/04 9:26 pm)


Re: Sadness in the Result
I walked in the rain on Tuesday to cast my vote and was devestated at the results I woke up to on Wednesday. I've been down in the dumps every since, but I have found some hope in all this:

#1 Barack Obama. After his incredible speech at the Democratic National Convention, I think he is one to watch. Obama in 2008...hmmm...wouldn't that be interesting?

#2 For the next for years whenever someone starts complaining about the economy or anything else we can all say, hey, I didn't vote for him. LOL I should put that on a bumper sticker:rollin

Edited by: ValentineGirl81  at: 11/4/04 9:36 pm
TarHeelTeacher
Cocoa Lounger
Posts: 4
(11/4/04 11:12 pm)


Blue in a red state
I have been saying, "Don't blame me, I didn't vote for him," since he took office. I cannot understand how anyone could think he could keep us safe from terrorists, the worst terrorist attack in our history happened on his watch. As a teacher, I can assure you that the "I didn't want to alarm the children," excuse as to why he continued to read is a crock.
He could have simply said, "Boys and girls, I need to leave now." The children he was reading too were too young to even to care that the President was reading to them. If he had been giving out stickers or candy, they would have been much more impressed by him.
If I remember correctly, when he did finally speak, he spoke in front of children much older who were at the age they could have been freaked out by what he said.
Don't even get me started on how I feel about No Child Left Behind.
Barack Obama is a ray of hope. I wish I lived in Illinois. Instead I live in North Carolina, in a very red county. I swear people in this county would vote for a dead skunk as long as he had "Republican" beside his name on the ballot.
I do not feel that the man who won the seat John Edwards will vacate in a couple of months will represent a single one of my interests.
Speaking of Senator Edwards, I ask that everyone please pray for his wonderful wife, Elizabeth, as she battles breast cancer. They survivrd the loss of their son, Wade. That proves they are strong. I pray that they can beat this awful disease.
I had not yet cried about the results of the election. I was too shocked and mad I think, but when I heard about the diagnosis Mrs. Edwards received, I cried. I am crying now thinking about what she faces.

Divine Power
Cocoa Lounger
Posts: 26
(11/5/04 3:27 am)


Re: Blue in a red state
TarHeelTeacher---I agree with you. I have the same, "Don't blame me," attitude---especially when one of my best girlfriend makes comments about the troops living in harsh conditions but thinks it's because of the democrats. As Chen stated earlier (dealing with co-workers) I allow her to vent through her own ignorance. What is the point in calling a sheep a wolf if she can only see Bush as a sweet defenseless animal instead of an animal that loves the taste of blood.

Honestly, my whole confusion (spiritually) lies with everything being predestined. If our lives are already planned before we were ever born, then this was suppose to happen for Bush. No matter how much I dislike it. I continuously question issues such as that-- not just in my own life but with what is going on in the world.

I also wish I lived in Chicago so that I could vote for Barack Obama. He is a masterpiece. I actually heard him speak on CNN (Lou Dobbs) about a week before the Democratic Convention. I called my mother just to tell her about him, but of course she already on the up and up.

I also heard about Mrs. Edward on the local news but here they did not say she was positively diagnosed with breast cancer. I take it that you heard she was. Here is just a little inspiration for you and others who know or may in the future know someone diagnosed with breast cancer. My grandmother was diagnosed with breast cancer when I was a child (not yet a teenager) and at that time, women had their breast removed. She indeed had one of her breast removed. My grandmother never suffered from breast cancer. During my teen years, she never took medication, she was never in pain, never had chemo, and the cancer never spread to any other parts of her body. I am a living witness, who knows first hand, that cancer does not mean death and that there can be no suffering. I would have to say that she tapped into the healing power of the higher power. There is hope for Mrs. Edwards.
---The sadness of it all is that approximately 10 years after being diagnosed with cancer she died. Not from cancer--a young drunk driver hit her car head on, killing her, and my 7- year- old cousin.

FreeNote
Cocoa Lover
Posts: 126
(11/5/04 3:00 pm)


Still Free...
My Fam!

How are all of you?

It's been a tough couple of days, hasn't it? The uncertainty of the future looms heavy, but y'all know me. A bit of encouragement, and I'm looking for the guiding light to press on through.

You guys are certainly a beacon of light, a refreshing reminder that 48% of us voted against Bush's supposed mandate. And if we're steadfast, we can make it very difficult for him to see it through.

I mean, my desire to stand even stronger as an American has been fueled by the outcome. We truly have something to fight for. To ensure our nation isn't hijacked by right-wing conservatism so that future generations of Americans can grow up in a nation that is progressively moving forward.

Hell, I'm doing this for my niece who is on the way! I want her to feel that she has choices to become who she wants to become. As Daniel reminded us, many of our ancestors (ALL OF OUR ANCESTORS) fought, bled, scrapped and saved, rallied, petitioned, sought education and sacrificed to ensure that we can stand in the place that we stand now. We are proof of their survival. Now it's our turn to pass something great onto those who come after us.

There's so much I want to say right now, but I should do it when I'm off the boss' time. I'll try to post again soon! I just felt that I needed to pause and let y'all know that I was thinking about you.

L+L 2 U ALL!

Still Free! ;)

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I believe the function of the artist is to find ways of communicating,
in sensible, sensuous terms, those experiences which do not find adequate
expression in the daily round of living and for which, therefore, no
ready-made means of communication exists.

-Romare Bearden-

Edited by: FreeNote at: 11/5/04 5:10 pm
Daniel Sunjata
Cocoa Lounger
Posts: 62
(11/7/04 1:05 am)


...




Here's a new leaflet from the RCP, which is calling for very broad distribution.
Feel free to format this and help get it out!
-Revolution Books
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

The Will of the People Was NOT Expressed In This Election

Stunned anguish . . . bitter disgust . . . even despair. We try to
find the words and we can't.

And yes, it is as bad as you think. Almost certainly, it is worse.

On November 3rd, George Bush called up the newly elected Republican
senators who believe in such things as the death penalty for
abortion providers and banning gays from teaching and said: "It’s
time to get the job done." Capitalism personified, Bush told the
press "Let me put it to you this way: I earned political capital in
the campaign and now I intend to spend it". He is full of himself –
on a mission to take this whole nightmare to an even more intense,
more repressive level.

If ever there was a leader who should be thoroughly rejected, if
ever there was a time for a country to become politically
ungovernable, if ever there was an empire that should be stopped
dead in its tracks and prevented from shaping the future of the
planet – that leader, that country, that empire is right before us.
If ever there was a time when millions need to act on their nagging,
deep-gut feeling that something is terribly and radically wrong –
that time is NOW.

Bush crows that he is backed by the will of the people. Bull! What
will of the people – when there was an entire campaign of
disenfranchisement and intimidation directed against Black people
and immigrants from Ohio to Arizona, from Florida to Mississippi?!
What will of the people – when we may never be able to say what the
easily-rigged electronic voting machines really recorded? What will
of the people – when people were never given the chance to even hear
(let alone vote on) a clear strong voice against the war, against
the repression, and against the Dark Ages mind-set taking over this
country? And where were the voices of people from Gaza to Falluja,
Kathmandu to Korea who are the most victimized by this Bush
madness? Where were the voices of the majority of people on the
planet who bitterly oppose the war on Iraq? The fact is that the
will of the people was NOT expressed in this election!

True, Bush did get tens of millions of people to support him with
eyes wide shut. That was and is scary – and we'll speak to what's
behind that later. But Kerry never really went after Bush, and the
whole way that things got confined to the terms of "who would be the
better commander-in-chief" was loaded against the people from the
gitgo. And now Kerry talks to us about "letting the healing
begin?" We don't think so.

Yes, people who hate what Bush stands for have to ask ourselves a
hard question, but that question is this: how did we get to this
place where the choices, the limits and the framework we are
supposed to accept are marked, on one end by the "Republi-fascists"
who are clearly fascist and openly imperialist – and on the other by
the "Republi-crats", who confine themselves to a few petty
amendments and even to outrageous talk of healing?

And now what? Do we just accept this as the will of the people and
try to find our place somewhere within these new norms?

No, no, NO! This has proven disastrous and we have to change course
NOW. We have to build a fierce resistance based on what is truly
just.

Two Different Moralities

Oh, but they tell us, Bush won because of his "superior morality."

Well, what kind of morality plays on fear and the desire for a false
and illusory safety to carry out relentless bombing and killing in
Iraq, where it is now estimated that over 100,000 people have died
as a result of the war?

What kind of morality is expressed in the brazenly snapped photos of
prisoners dead and wrapped in plastic, or stripped naked and
tortured, all sanctioned and systematized by the chain of command
and the legal opinions written by Bush's top counsels?

Who can find moral salvation in whipping up fear and hatred of gay
people, in preaching the "loving submission" of women to their
husbands and in resurrecting the era of back-alley abortions?

What kind of morality accepts and excuses casting all immigrants
under sinister, police-state suspicion, and equates dissent and
critical thinking with "treason"?


What kind of morality puts over 2 million in people in jail, the
majority of whom are Black, Latino and other people of color?

This is a fascist morality, one based on a fundamentalist and
extremely vicious version of Christianity. In the face of a rapidly
changing world, this Christian Fascism offers people order,
certainty and vengeance. Millions of people are severely addicted
to Armageddon fantasies which are preparing them to mindlessly kill
and die for this empire.

And no, we cannot either hope this will go away or seek "common
ground" with this poison – we must "stage an intervention" with
these people and directly take on this hurtful and lunatic mindset
they have gotten caught up in and are trying to force on all of
society. And if we do sharply take on this madness, we can "peel
off" some of these people from the Bush bunch. Many of them have
sons and daughters killing and dying in Iraq; many of them are
victims of the "lean and mean" capitalism represented by Bush (and
Kerry for that matter); many, especially women, are still trapped in
social relations that scar their spirit and their lives; and
whatever solace they find in this Christian fascism cannot
ultimately transcend all that. This program of Bush's is not
ending – he is immediately going to try to escalate the war in Iraq
in a terribly bloody way, and plan for further aggression. He is
going to try to pass a heavier version of the Patriot Act. He is
going to further cut the programs people desperately depend on and
drive them to the "charity" of the churches.

We cannot afford to either ignore, run away from, or to lose hope in
the face of this ignorant fanaticism and the hurtling momentum
behind it. We can and must remember the lessons of 9/11 – when Bush
started out with the vast majority of the country united around
his "War on Terror", and when people were able to reverse that
polarization by exposing the true nature of it and mounting forceful
resistance in the streets. Yes, there is no denying, that Bush has
just won the last round – and that this will have devastating
consequences. But it is an even greater truth that the basis exists
to puncture this atmosphere and actually reverse this dynamic and
get a different dynamic going – resistance based on the real
interests of the people, resistance based on aiming not just to
dissent from or oppose this agenda, but to actually STOP IT.

And yes, we do need morality – but a different morality. Our
morality cannot be a rationale for oppression and plunder, but must
be an ethic based on the understanding that the lives of people born
around the world are no less precious than our own. On the belief
that the needs and interests of people should determine the economic
and political order, not be subjugated to a drive for ever greater
concentrations of wealth and power. On our refusal to stuff women
and gays back into the brutal box of traditional biblical notions.
On our profound rejection of racism and all its "modern,
enlightened" coded language and policies. On a powerful vision of
human potential and the idea that all people should be brought into
thinking critically and scientifically and enabled to take part in
determining the goals and policies of our societies on an ever-
deepening and expanding basis. On our resistance to inhumanity and
our willingness to put it all on the line to stop it.

This morality reflects the interests of 90% of the people – not only
around the world but yes, here in the U.S. – and is something that a
movement of resistance should hammer out together and propagate.
These are heavy times. The Christian Fascist morality is preparing
people to fight and die for exploitation, oppression and ignorance.
What are WE going to do? What kind of person is it worth being in
these days? These are the questions that together we will develop
the morality to answer and found our movement on.

Revolution, Resistance and What We Gotta Do Right NOW

Three years ago, shortly after 9/11, our Chairman, Bob Avakian, said
that, "things are bound to be vastly different . . . the America we
have known will not exist in the same way anymore." This is
profoundly true and borne out by the events of the past few years.

Even beyond the immediate grotesque inhumanity of the Bush agenda,
there is an utter absurdity that in the year 2004, with all the
tremendous resources and technological advances, with the
unparalleled wealth of knowledge and communications, and with the
creativity of billions on our planet, that we sit perched on the
edge of being plunged into darkness. But these very conditions also
hold the possibility of an entirely new era based on revolutionary
transformation. The Revolutionary Communist Party, USA has a
programme and an eminently sane and necessarily bold plan for
revolution. And it has the leadership of Bob Avakian, who has led
in looking at the whole experience of socialist society – upholding
the great achievements while critically examining the shortcomings –
and has re-envisioned a radically new "model" that not only
eliminates the terrible inequalities of capitalism but brings forth
a vibrancy and flourishing of the critical spirit never before seen
in any society. And as part of that whole vision, we see the urgent
need right now to join with others to build a movement founded both
on our common opposition to the Bush juggernaut and an ethos where
we discuss and wrangle over what should replace that and how we get
there.

And as for the elections? Okay, we took a hit, a bad hit. But it
ain't time to leave the country or to put your head down and figure
out how to live under fascism. For the past few years the people in
this country have been taking our place as a part of a global
humanity, filling the streets and letting the world know about the
opposition to the whole Bush agenda of war, repression and enforced
ignorance right here in its homeland. It was only two months ago
that half a million converged to protest the Republican National
Convention. That half a million folks – and the millions more who
put their hopes in Kerry only to find them crushed yet again – have
to act and act NOW.

Right now Bush & Co. are getting ready to carry out a horrific
massacre in Falluja. They are preparing a disgusting coronation of
their blood-soaked arrogant champion. They are moving quickly to
bring down the hammer and beyond that to set the terms for the next
generation. Is the Bush crew gonna face resistance to this? Will
people all over the world see Americans marching in the streets,
refusing to be bottled up – or will they be left with an image of a
sheep-like populace rolling over for Bush, reinforcing the image of
America as a monolithic evil? Will people walk the streets of
America, not even daring to think about the future and fearing for
the present, or will they take heart when they see windows full
of "NO" posters, whole towns declaring themselves "fascist-free
zones", and a rebirth of the traditions of the Sanctuary movement of
the 1980's and the Underground Railroad of slavery times? Will we
have each other's backs – the librarians, the professors, the
artists, the everyday folks who dare to step out and say NO? Will
we discuss and debate even as – and as part of – solidifying our own
unity, while we boldly step to and try to win over people still
under the sway of the Bushian mentality of fear and ignorance?

Will the people resist with an aim of defeating this monstrous @#%$?

They will if we have anything to say about it. And we aim to.

Hey everybody, we need to talk with each other. We need to work
together. We need to struggle for our lives and for the future of
this planet. Get with us. Check out the revolution. Resist.

Revolutionary Communist Party, USA, November 2004


For the Revolutionary Worker newspaper in English and Spanish:
rwor.org
For access to recent talks by Bob Avakian in mp3 format:
bobavakian.net







Daniel Sunjata
Cocoa Lounger
Posts: 63
(11/8/04 1:35 am)


Plausible and Probable.

Evidence Mounts That
The Vote Was Hacked
By Thom Hartmann
Common Dreams.org
11-7-4


When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat.
"It was practice for a national effort," Fisher told me.
And evidence is accumulating that the national effort happened on November 2, 2004.
The State of Florida, for example, publishes a county-by-county record of votes cast and people registered to vote by party affiliation. Net denizen Kathy Dopp compiled the official state information into a table, available at
ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm, and noticed something startling.
Also See:
Florida Secretary of State
Presidential Results by County 11/02/2004 (.pdf)
Florida Secretary of State County
Registration by Party 2/9/2004 (.pdf)
While the heavily scrutinized touch-screen voting machines seemed to produce results in which the registered Democrat/Republican ratios matched the Kerry/Bush vote, and so did the optically-scanned paper ballots in the larger counties, in Florida's smaller counties the results from the optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking - seem to have been reversed.
In Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the opposite of what is seen everywhere else in the country where registered Democrats largely voted for Kerry.
In Dixie County, with 4,988 registered voters, 77.5% of them Democrats and a mere 15% registered as Republicans, only 1,959 people voted for Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush.
The pattern repeats over and over again - but only in the smaller counties where, it was probably assumed, the small voter numbers wouldn't be much noticed. Franklin County, 77.3% registered Democrats, went 58.5% for Bush. Holmes County, 72.7% registered Democrats, went 77.25% for Bush.
Yet in the larger counties, where such anomalies would be more obvious to the news media, high percentages of registered Democrats equaled high percentages of votes for Kerry.
More visual analysis of the results can be seen at
ustogether.org/election04
/FloridaDataStats.htm
and
www.rubberbug.com/temp
/Florida2004chart.htm
And, although elections officials didn't notice these anomalies, in aggregate they were enough to swing Florida from Kerry to Bush. If you simply go through the analysis of these counties and reverse the "anomalous" numbers in those counties that appear to have been hacked, suddenly the Florida election results resemble the Florida exit poll results: Kerry won, and won big.
Those exit poll results have been a problem for reporters ever since Election Day.
Election night, I'd been doing live election coverage for WDEV, one of the radio stations that carries my syndicated show, and, just after midnight, during the 12:20 a.m. Associated Press Radio News feed, I was startled to hear the reporter detail how Karen Hughes had earlier sat George W. Bush down to inform him that he'd lost the election. The exit polls were clear: Kerry was winning in a landslide. "Bush took the news stoically," noted the AP report.
But then the computers reported something different. In several pivotal states.
Conservatives see a conspiracy here: They think the exit polls were rigged.
Dick Morris, the infamous political consultant to the first Clinton campaign who became a Republican consultant and Fox News regular, wrote an article for The Hill, the publication read by every political junkie in Washington, DC, in which he made a couple of brilliant points.
"Exit Polls are almost never wrong," Morris wrote. "They eliminate the two major potential fallacies in survey research by correctly separating actual voters from those who pretend they will cast ballots but never do and by substituting actual observation for guesswork in judging the relative turnout of different parts of the state."
He added: "So, according to ABC-TVs exit polls, for example, Kerry was slated to carry Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, and Iowa, all of which Bush carried. The only swing state the network had going to Bush was West Virginia, which the president won by 10 points."
Yet a few hours after the exit polls were showing a clear Kerry sweep, as the computerized vote numbers began to come in from the various states the election was called for Bush.
How could this happen?
On the CNBC TV show "Topic A With Tina Brown," several months ago, Howard Dean had filled in for Tina Brown as guest host. His guest was Bev Harris, the Seattle grandmother who started www.blackboxvoting.org from her living room. Bev pointed out that regardless of how votes were tabulated (other than hand counts, only done in odd places like small towns in Vermont), the real "counting" is done by computers. Be they Diebold Opti-Scan machines, which read paper ballots filled in by pencil or ink in the voter's hand, or the scanners that read punch cards, or the machines that simply record a touch of the screen, in all cases the final tally is sent to a "central tabulator" machine.
That central tabulator computer is a Windows-based PC.
"In a voting system," Harris explained to Dean on national television, "you have all the different voting machines at all the different polling places, sometimes, as in a county like mine, there's a thousand polling places in a single county. All those machines feed into the one machine so it can add up all the votes. So, of course, if you were going to do something you shouldn't to a voting machine, would it be more convenient to do it to each of the 4000 machines, or just come in here and deal with all of them at once?"
Dean nodded in rhetorical agreement, and Harris continued. "What surprises people is that the central tabulator is just a PC, like what you and I use. It's just a regular computer."
"So," Dean said, "anybody who can hack into a PC can hack into a central tabulator?"
Harris nodded affirmation, and pointed out how Diebold uses a program called GEMS, which fills the screen of the PC and effectively turns it into the central tabulator system. "This is the official program that the County Supervisor sees," she said, pointing to a PC that was sitting between them loaded with Diebold's software.
Bev then had Dean open the GEMS program to see the results of a test election. They went to the screen titled "Election Summary Report" and waited a moment while the PC "adds up all the votes from all the various precincts," and then saw that in this faux election Howard Dean had 1000 votes, Lex Luthor had 500, and Tiger Woods had none. Dean was winning.
"Of course, you can't tamper with this software," Harris noted. Diebold wrote a pretty good program.
But, it's running on a Windows PC.
So Harris had Dean close the Diebold GEMS software, go back to the normal Windows PC desktop, click on the "My Computer" icon, choose "Local Disk C:," open the folder titled GEMS, and open the sub-folder "LocalDB" which, Harris noted, "stands for local database, that's where they keep the votes." Harris then had Dean double-click on a file in that folder titled "Central Tabulator Votes," which caused the PC to open the vote count in a database program like Excel.
In the "Sum of the Candidates" row of numbers, she found that in one precinct Dean had received 800 votes and Lex Luthor had gotten 400.
"Let's just flip those," Harris said, as Dean cut and pasted the numbers from one cell into the other. "And," she added magnanimously, "let's give 100 votes to Tiger."
They closed the database, went back into the official GEMS software "the legitimate way, you're the county supervisor and you're checking on the progress of your election."
As the screen displayed the official voter tabulation, Harris said, "And you can see now that Howard Dean has only 500 votes, Lex Luthor has 900, and Tiger Woods has 100." Dean, the winner, was now the loser.
Harris sat up a bit straighter, smiled, and said, "We just edited an election, and it took us 90 seconds."
On live national television. (You can see the clip on www.votergate.tv.)
Which brings us back to Morris and those pesky exit polls that had Karen Hughes telling George W. Bush that he'd lost the election in a landslide.
Morris's conspiracy theory is that the exit polls "were sabotage" to cause people in the western states to not bother voting for Bush, since the networks would call the election based on the exit polls for Kerry. But the networks didn't do that, and had never intended to. It makes far more sense that the exit polls were right - they weren't done on Diebold PCs - and that the vote itself was hacked.
And not only for the presidential candidate - Jeff Fisher thinks this hit him and pretty much every other Democratic candidate for national office in the most-hacked swing states.
So far, the only national "mainstream" media to come close to this story was Keith Olbermann on his show Friday night, November 5th, when he noted that it was curious that all the voting machine irregularities so far uncovered seem to favor Bush. In the meantime, the Washington Post and other media are now going through single-bullet-theory-like contortions to explain how the exit polls had failed.
But I agree with Fox's Dick Morris on this one, at least in large part. Wrapping up his story for The Hill, Morris wrote in his final paragraph, "This was no mere mistake. Exit polls cannot be as wrong across the board as they were on election night. I suspect foul play."
Thom Hartmann (thom at thomhartmann.com) is a Project Censored Award-winning best-selling author and host of a nationally syndicated daily progressive talk show. www.thomhartmann .com His most recent books are "The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight," "Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance and the Theft of Human Rights," "We The People: A Call To Take Back America," and "What Would Jefferson Do?: A Return To Democracy."

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(11/8/04 12:56 pm)


Daniel's Interview with Gay.com
Hi, Fam!

Wanted to pass this interview onto all of you. It's featured on gay.com. Enjoy!

An interview with "Brother to Brother's" Daniel Sunjata
by Loren King

In his relatively young career, Daniel Sunjata has shown a knack for picking roles. That two of his best roles to date -- the charismatic star baseball player in Broadway's "Take Me Out" and iconic writer Langston Hughes in the new indie film "Brother to Brother" -- happen to be gay ones also says a lot about the actor's sense of himself and his view of his profession.
Swarthy and handsome (it's not for nothing that he was named one of People's "Most Beautiful" in 2003), Sunjata, 32, seems on the cusp of stardom. Nominated for a Tony Award for his role as Darren Lemming in "Take Me Out," he can also be seen on the hit FX series "Rescue Me" as a Puerto Rican firefighter (the show will return for a second season). He's got a pair of feature films in the can: "Noel," in which he plays an office worker who dates Susan Sarandon, and "Melinda and Melinda," a Woody Allen film in which he has a small role.

Sunjata is currently in negotiations to play Marvin Gaye in a big-screen biopic of the Motown star. The role would surely catapult the actor to new heights -- but nothing's been signed yet.

For now, Sunjata is more than happy to talk about a much smaller film, the drama "Brother to Brother," which imaginatively interweaves the celebrated 1920s Harlem Renaissance (and its gay movers and shakers) and modern-day New York. Sunjata appears in the film's "vintage" sequences, which depict African-American writers Hughes, Zora Neal Hurston, Wally Thurman and Bruce Nugent as they launch the seminal publication "Fire!"

"I told my agent that I was interested in doing an independent film," says Sunjata. "They got me the audition to play Langston. It was great to play a historical character with relevance." Sunjata credits writer/director Rodney Evans with "helping me to cultivate a deeper appreciation for the man."

Winner of a Special Jury Prize at the 2004 Sundance Film Festival, "Brother to Brother" weaves social history and a story of friendship into its portrait of a young gay artist who connects with the now-elderly Nugent and discovers the gay voices of the Harlem Renaissance. Rather than romanticizing the era, Evans' film posits that such creativity, freedom and risk often came at a price.

The same could be said of Sunjata's career, but the actor would not have it any other way. Raised on the South Side of Chicago, he remembers watching annual productions of "A Christmas Carol" at the Goodman Theater. But the acting bug didn't bite him until years later.

Enrolled as a business administration major at Florida A & M, he realized he was "terrible at math and accounting" and ended up earning a theater degree from the University of Southwest Louisiana. He honed his craft in classical roles during the two years he spent at NYU's Tisch School of the Arts.

Sunjata says he's modeling his career choices on those of actors such as Philip Seymour Hoffman, who jumps from indie films to stage roles to mainstream features with seeming ease. Later this month, Sunjata will share the stage with another versatile actor of this ilk, Kevin Kline, when the two perform a staged reading of "Cyrano De Bergerac."

Sunjata isn't sure what will happen with that show, but he points out that "Take Me Out" began as a staged reading, too. It was 2000, and Sunjata had earned his Master's degree in theater from NYU just two years earlier. After a run in London's West End, the show premiered in 2002 at the Public Theater off-Broadway.

"We thought that was the gig. And we were thrilled with it," he says. But after great reviews, "Take Me Out" transferred to Broadway's Walter Kerr Theatre with most of its cast intact, under Joe Mantello's direction, and won 2003 Tonys for Best Featured Actor in a Play (Denis O'Hare, who plays Lemming's gay accountant), Best Direction of a Play (Mantello) and Best Play.

Sunjata and the play immediately set tongues wagging for a nude shower scene meant to underscore Lemming's tenuous relationships with his teammates. In an interview with Playbill, Sunjata said that despite his reservations about appearing naked onstage, he understood playwright Richard Greenberg's intent.

"Without nudity, I don't think Richard would have been able to underscore and illuminate the play's homophobic, homoerotic elements," Sunjata said. "But it did take some getting used to. From the first performance to the last, I was always self-conscious during the seconds preceding disrobing: Oh, God, I have to get naked.

But there is the cliché that being nude in front of a group of people is kind of a liberating experience. I would say it was simultaneously liberating and unnerving. I'm now trying to keep my clothes on as much as possible."

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I believe the function of the artist is to find ways of communicating,
in sensible, sensuous terms, those experiences which do not find adequate
expression in the daily round of living and for which, therefore, no
ready-made means of communication exists.

-Romare Bearden-

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(11/8/04 6:03 pm)


ZNET Post Election Update
Even if the election was hacked, we need to focus on another form of hacking: self-centered self-hacking

Tomorrow Is a Long Time
By Michael Albert

I woke up, suffered through the news, and opened my email. This was the first message I read.

"Seriously.. I don't know who answers you guy's email, but do you think the coalitions that were working to get Bush out can overcome this @#%$? I feel @#%$ hopeless... i've been working with ACT and SEIU and canvassing and calling and blah blah blah... I can't believe we have lost to this psychopath again. I know Kerry sucked, but we have
nothing... what is left?"

The short answer is, Yes, the coalitions, if they have a mind and heart to do so, can "overcome this @#%$." It is true that many people, even when they are united, can be defeated. We should not make believe it isn't so. But it is also true that many united people can win, and win again, and again. As to "what's left?" of course the answer is the true left is left, and if we have sufficient mind and heart we can make it grow until real victories are ours. I try to offer some parts of a
longer answer below.

Election Returns

First, the U.S. as a whole has not voted for anything by virtue of this election. Around 60% of the eligible electorate voted. This was a considerable increase over the recent past, but was still low by international standards. It means about 30% of the eligible electorate voted for Bush and just under that voted for Kerry. If Kerry had won another percent or two and thereby won the election, it would change almost nothing about the large-scale allegiances of the U.S. population. More people didn't vote than supported either candidate.

Regarding judging the American populace, even before noting the manipulation of perceptions that accompanies U.S. elections, it does not make sense for us to act as though the country is inhabited by amoral, self seeking vultures because Bush won, especially supposing that we would have been celebrating America's return to reason and morality had things been marginally different. If you weren't agonizing the views of
your fellow citizens yesterday, and if you wouldn't be agonizing them had Kerry won Ohio, or had Kerry run with Gephardt as Vice Presidential candidate and won Missouri and Iowa as well as Ohio and the election, then there is not much reason to be agonizing them as is. They are what they have been, needing much improvement but hardly as bad as some people are going to deduce.

On the other hand, had the election gone to Kerry, while it wouldn't have indicated much about the state of popular consciousness, it would certainly have changed the complexion of the world for some time to come and would probably also have changed the near term activity and affectivity of those who wish to attain a truly better world. Weeping about this very real implication of the re-enthronement of George Bush and his fundamentalist agenda is warranted.

One more contextual point. When Richard Nixon, a despicable thug who was barely more cogent than Bush and who didn't have nearly as well organized an electoral apparatus, ran for his second term in 1972, he won all but one state. It was an electoral and a popular vote massacre. He was, however, out of office not too long thereafter. The U.S. electorate is no worse overall now than it was then, and it is arguably better in many respects.

That 2005 is similar to 1972 is not reason for cheer. For some of us, people around then and now, it is deadly depressing. I write with tears flowing. But at the same time it reveals that we are not suddenly in some kind of unprecedented dark ages. It indicates that the population has not become fascist in some new and unprecedented way. What it also shows, very sad to say, is that after forty years of struggle we aren't
that far forward, and that fact deserves very serious consideration.

Okay, so what about the people who did vote?

Election Statistics and What They Say

According to CNN's exit polls, nationally men voted 54% to 45% for Bush and women voted 52% to 47% for Kerry. White men voted 61% to 38% for Bush, white women 54% to 45%.

Non white men voted 68% to 30% for Kerry, non white women 75% to 24%. Kerry won African Americans 9 to 1 but he lost whites 6 to 4.

Kerry won among people aged 18 - 29, but he lost all older age groups. There weren't enough young voters to offset their elders.

By income, not surprisingly Kerry got fewer votes the wealthier the constituency and Bush got correspondingly more votes the wealthier the constituency. Of the 45% of voters who earn less than $50,000 a year, Kerry won 56% to 43%. (Of course, a big question is, what caused 43% to
vote so explicitly against their own material interests?) On the other hand, of the 55% of voters who earn over $50,000 per year, Bush won 55% to 44%. Kerry also won 51% to 48% among the 82% of voters who earn $100,000 or less. But for the 18% who earn above $100,000, Bush won 57% to 41%. If more people went to the polls, which would have meant that
more lower income people went to the polls, Kerry would have won the election. Likewise, had voters who earn under $50,000 or under $100,000 for that matter, voted for Kerry proportionate to the real material interests they had, he would have won.

Among union members and their families Kerry won 60% to 40%. He lost 52% to 47% among those who aren't unionized, but there are way more of the latter. If we had more workers in unions, again Kerry would have won.

Among new voters Kerry won 55% - 45%, but there weren't enough, new voters, or, if you prefer, this gap was not wide enough, to carry the election for Kerry overall.

In regard to religion, Kerry overwhelmingly won Jews, "Other religions," and "none" - but Bush won Protestants 58% - 41% and Catholics 51% - 48%. If you attended church weekly you voted for Bush 60% - 40%. If you went only occasionally, you voted for Kerry 53% - 46%. If you never went, you voted for Kerry 65% - 35%. Devout religion has a profoundly reactionary
impact in U.S. elections, or at least correlates well with factors that do.

Kerry won gays, lesbians, and bisexuals 77% - 23%, but they were only 4% of all voters. Bush won heterosexuals 52% - 47%. As an aside, purely on intuition I find the 3 to 1 ratio here significant as an indicator. It seems to me that gays, lesbians, and bisexuals are probably very attuned to the disaster that Bush could bring upon them and their community. I suspect, therefore, that a 3-1 ratio indicates a constituency that really understands the difference about an issue and feels quite strongly about the matter in question.

Gun owners (who were 41% of all voters) voted for Bush 61% - 37%. Those without guns (who were 59% of all voters) voted for Kerry 58% - 41%. (Notice, gun ownership is supposed to be a very powerful issue and determiner of views, and it is certainly significant, but under 2 - 1).

If you were in the 4% of voters who thought the most important issue was education you voted Kerry 75%. If you were in the 20% who thought the economy and jobs were most important you voted Kerry 80%. If you were in the 8% who thought it was Health care, you voted Kerry 78%. If you were in the 15% of voters who thought Iraq was most important you voted Kerry 75%.

But if you were in the 19% who thought the most important issue was terrorism, you voted Bush 86%. If you were in the 22% who thought "moral values" was most important you voted Bush 79%. If you were in the 5% who thought taxes most important you voted Bush 56%.

Except for taxes, these issue figures, on both sides, are all 3 - 1 or more. It seems from this that voters who cared a lot about an issue actually did know the difference between the candidates regarding each issue and voted in tune, even more so on the right. Bush's victory, looking at things from this vantage point, was arguably due to so many voters considering terror or "morals" primary.

The 46% of voters who thought the national economy was excellent or good voted for Bush 86% - 13%. The 52% who thought it was not good or poor voted for Kerry 79% - 19%. Both are more than 3 to 1.

The 31% of voters who felt their family was better off financially than four years ago, voted 79% - 20% for Bush. The 28% of voters who thought they were worse off, voted 80% - 19% for Kerry. For the 39% who felt no economic change, Kerry won 50%- 48%. Again clarity about an issue is
evident. And, here too, if more people had voted, it would have been more who thought they were worse off, and Kerry would have won.

If you were among the 42% who thought we have become less safe from terrorism in the past four years you voted Kerry 85%. But if you were among the 54% who thought we had become more safe from terrorism over the last four years, you voted Bush 79%. Over 3 -1 for both. Move a few percent in their perception on this issue, and Kerry wins.

The 51% of voters who say they approve having gone to war in Iraq voted 85% - 14% for Bush. The 45% who say they disapprove having gone to war in Iraq voted 87% - 11% for Kerry. Likewise, if you thought (54%) that the Iraq war was part of the war on terrorism, you voted for Bush 80% -
19%. If you thought it wasn't (43%) you voted for Kerry 8% - 11%. These people seem to me to be voting in accord with their perceptions about reality and their correct views of the candidates, as for those above.

Their perceptions about reality are open to question, of course and had more been skeptical of the war, again, Kerry would have won.

The 26% who thought same sex couples should be able to marry voted for Kerry 77% - 22%. The 35% who favored civil union voted Bush 51% - 48%. And the 36% who opposed any legal recognition of gay couples voted 69% - 30% for Bush. Interestingly and a bit surprisingly, results on the reactionary position are not so aggressive as on the progressive one, or
so it seems. On the other hand, many Kerry voters obviously voted against gay marriage in the state votes.

The 23% who thought abortion should be always legal voted Kerry 73% - 25%. The 38% who thought it should be mostly legal voted Kerry 61% - 18%. The 26% who thought abortion should be mostly illegal voted Bush 73% - 26%. The 16% who thought it should be always illegal voted Bush 77% - 22%. Better than 3 - 1 clarity here too, it seems.

So - given the data, given our experiences, given our feelings and thoughts, what do we think about the election?

People did seem to largely vote in accord with their priorities. Few could have been tricked into thinking Bush was more anti-war or Kerry was more pro-war or Bush was pro-gay or Bush was more for workers or Kerry was more for the wealthy, and so on, with these poll results. The mistaken notions in voters' minds were not about the candidates positions so much as they were about the state of the world, or their values.

Story One: Kerry and the Democrats lost because they failed to emphasize Iraq and the economy. Voters who thought those issues mattered most voted strongly for him. Voters who were keyed on terror and fearful of attacks or who were worried about the decay of civilization via gay marriages - which is "moral values", voted strongly for Bush. There were
more of the latter than the former, both across the country and in Ohio, so Bush won. Kerry did not sufficiently move the focus from terror and anti gay attitudes to Iraq and the economy.

Story Two. Kerry and the Democrats ran about as good a campaign as any Democrat could have run. They had massive unprecedented activist support from Hollywood and the music world. They hit hard on their best issues seeking to move debate to those, but to keep their financial support and
to ward off massive media assault, they also addressed security. They marshaled a very impressive get out the vote campaign with tens of thousands of volunteers, particularly in Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. Nonetheless, Bush won the popular vote across the country and the electoral vote too, the latter by winning both Florida and Ohio.

The odd thing is, both these stories are true. Religion, homophobia, machismo, family values, and fear that floated
nationalism above reason and that elevated paranoia above empathy buoyed Bush above sidebar concerns like the demise of civilization, climate, economy, solidarity, and even security. This likely occurred in considerable part because regarding these concerns many people didn't have any reason to think Kerry was all that much more promising than Bush. Kerry's supporters got out the vote better than anyone could reasonably have predicted months ago, but the efforts awakened not only Kerry voters, but, in reaction, also brought out additional support for Bush.

The problem isn't so much that the voters were deceived about the candidates. People who voted seemed to know what the candidates were saying, otherwise the correlations noted above wouldn't have been so strong. The problem is that the voters were in many cases (self-hackingly) deceived about the world, or had downright ugly views about it, in some cases. And of course, the problem is, to an even greater degree, that so many people who should have opposed Bush and would have opposed him had they voted,
did not vote.

What can we say? I think some things are pretty clear. Oppressed constituencies are not going to embrace their own subordination. There will be struggles around race, gender, and sexuality until the related oppressions are entirely overcome. A left that doesn't educate and at
least depolarize and far better galvanize support around social issues as well as economic and political ones, will not only be hypocritical and unworthy, it will also always have great difficulty winning.

Fear is always a possibility. A left that doesn't address it head on - morally, ethically, reasonably - by dealing with international relations and U.S. foreign policy including explaining its roots and implications, and thus the roots and implications of terrorism as well, will rarely if ever win. Had the anti-war movement convinced another five percent of
the population that the war in Iraq was unconnected to terrorism and was morally wrong, Bush would be out of office.

But there is something more at play. Why didn't virtually all working people vote for Kerry, and why didn't many more vote at all? Democrats contend with Republicans for the same source of real support, which is the ruling elites who monopolize money and media visibility. Even if the Democrats had a different inclination - which is rarely if ever the case
- this fact limits the scope of their appeals for votes for fear of losing the financial means or media accessibility to make any appeals at all. They can't talk about the real roots of our problems, even were they aware of them. They can't talk about real solutions to our problems, even if they were inclined to conceive them. They can only mumble unclearly about wanting to better people's lives and can only offer half hearted policies for doing so. Otherwise their money dries up. The media annihilates them. Meanwhile, Republicans do whatever they want...with plenty of funding, with unlimited media visibility, having no qualms whatsoever.


The upshot is that we need something much more than a better Democratic candidate. We need a new electoral system and a new base of support for new candidates.

But further, even a good candidate with important things to say -- a Nader, Cobb, Kucinich, or Sharpton - is barely listened to by American audiences. Why is that?

Our population does have a mental (self-hacking) failing of great proportion. It is greater even than its ignorance, which on many counts is profound. It is greater even than its racism, which is often very substantial. And it is greater even than its homophobia and sexism, which are still substantial as well.

This mental malady is that our population believes nothing better than the corporate system we now endure is possible and believes as well that the system we now endure makes most efforts at major reform largely fruitless by either cutting them off before victory or rapidly rolling back any gains they attain shortly after temporarily granting them.

This malady is not so dumb, it turns out. It has causes. To overcome this malady, which is often inaccurately called apathy, requires movements that convey informed hope by communicating how society could be different and how we could attain the changes and why they would then
persist. The vision problem is therefore central. To convince
significant sectors of the non-voting public to become politically involved, or of the voting public to change their views, will require dealing with it.


I was recently in Greece in part to give talks about the upcoming U.S. election. I had conveyed that there was a good chance Bush would win the election. Talking with a long time Greek activist I was told that things were quite hopeless. Populations were apathetic and it was part of the way people just are. They don't give a damn. Me first, and that's the end of it. Despair was in the air. I tried to argue by one route and then by another, but he kept returning to the U.S. How can there be serious progress when your population in such large numbers sits idly by and watches horrendous calamities unfold against others, meanwhile pursuing silly tiny personal gains, if even that? People, this activist felt, will get what they deserve, and it won't be pretty.

For those still mulling over the current mindset of the U.S. population, fearing that they are uncaring or worse that they are overtly callous, try this thought experiment which I offered others while in Greece.

Imagine that tomorrow God told us all that the just completed
presidential election was null and void. A new one is to be held. Bush is running against someone new - let's say Zeke. Zeke puts forth an uncompromising program including everything a good leftist would want - universal health care, no nukes, drastic moves toward ecological sustainability, not only withdrawal from Iraq but dismantling the empire and implementing international legality, replacing the IMF, the World Bank and the WTO with real internationalism, implementing real affirmative action for gender, race, and class, redistributing wealth downward plus establishing truly just wages, vastly improved conditions and participation, and so on and so forth.

And God says, here is the thing. The election campaign is going to go on for six months. There will be universal discussion and debate of all the issues and facts throughout society - in workplaces, schools, neighborhoods, and so on, and I will make sure that everyone understands the true choices at stake. Information will be fully presented, with me,
God, verifying truth in advertising at every stage. The election will then be held. And then I, God, will guarantee that the winner will get to successfully implement his or her program in the following four years, until the next election, to be conducted like this one.

How many people would vote in that case? 95%? 100%? 105% And what would be the result?

It you think Bush would win, okay, you should worry about the underlying psychology and morality of the American people, or, in fact, of all people generally.

But if you think Bush would lose, Bush would suffers ignominious defeat, Bush would be obliterated in a hailstorm of insight and joy over the implementation of truly progressive policies, then you have to develop vision, develop strategy, develop clarity about reality, and fight on, because the obstacle to people participating that we must overcome is
not that people don't care and not that people are callous, or
congenitally apathetic, but mostly that people (quite reasonably) doubt the efficacy of participation.

If, and it is a big if, the energy of Kerry's supporters including tens of thousands of volunteers can be galvanized on behalf of a broadly progressive agenda resisting Bush, and if the left can find the wherewithal to keep pushing beyond toward new vision and goals as well, then Bush can be roped in. We can have a four year interlude of struggle to avoid calamities and to win some valuable gains as well, followed by a Democrat in the White House, followed by continuing pressure for improvements in people's lives plus escalated development of a serious anti-capitalist movement.

On the other hand, if we can't transfer Kerry's most activist support to tenacious opposition to Bush, the interlude of continuing reaction will last much longer than four more years and the pain and suffering of many constituencies at the hands of U.S. fundamentalism will be that much more savage. And if the left can't transcend being anti-Bush to offering
serious positive alternatives and strategic options, then the wait for real change will also be that much longer.

It is forty years on from when I and many other people of my generation became life-long activists and while the left's efforts have ensured that nearly everyone now knows at some level that everything is broken - which wasn't even barely the case in 1965 - still most people are passive, easily manipulated, lacking hope, barely involved, dismissive of politics and activism, hunkered down in virtual isolation, looking
for crumbs that might be available, and above all spectators. In other words, what we on the left have been doing has had some impact, of course, but doing the same thing as in the past for another forty years would have barely any. A new left has got to be new where it matters - in having real and compelling shared vision, real and compelling short and mid term goals, and real and compelling shared practice and strategy - indeed, in having long term vision and empowering and engaging strategy at all.

We have to look at it squarely. Bush, without a very active, militant, and effective opposition, could mean overturning Roe v Wade, ending the separation of Church and State, and gutting Social Security and Medicare. It could mean escalated ecological devastation, expanded Patriot Act and repression, even larger gaps between rich and poor, expanded violence in Iraq and beyond, and election reforms to protect all this reaction against democracy.

Elections are not the whole of politics, only a tiny part. The whole is, or should be, mostly the development of consciousness and commitment and the exercising of social pressure. We have to get right back to that. And we have to do it immediately. And we have to do it more wisely (free of self-centered, self-hacking) than in the past.

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(11/9/04 12:35 pm)


Points of View
"A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over,
their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government to its true principles. It is true that in
the meantime we are suffering deeply in spirit, and incurring the
horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public debt......If
the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have patience till
luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning back the
principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are at
stake."
Thomas Jefferson, from a letter he sent in 1798 after the passage of
the Sedition Act:


Here's a perspective sent by a friend.

The only good thing I see that has come out of this latest hijacked election is that people have been able to release their inner writer. Here is my latest entry:


Every dark cloud has a silver lining.
When life gives you lemons, make lemonade.
Behind bad luck, comes good luck.
It’s always darkest before the dawn.
For the past few days, I have been trying to console myself by calling up these and a few other spirit lifting phrases to help me cope with the devastating results of the American Presidential election of 2004. I am sorry to say that none of them have given me comfort or strength as they have in the past.

As I hear story after story about voter tampering and intimidation, lost and uncounted provisional ballots, and gerry rigged machines, I remain firm in my belief that once again, the people of the United States are being led by someone who is occupying the office of the presidency through deceitful, unfair and manipulated means.
Several reports had George Bush receiving more votes in several districts than there were people. How is this possible? I was never a math genius but I do know one thing for sure - this just does not add up.

Calling up another one of those spirit boosters,”…they may have won the battle but they will not and should not win the war”, it is clear to me that this Bush cabal needs to be exposed and removed from power.

There have been times in American and world history, when events have occurred that when reading about them in modern times, seems impossible for them to have gone on unchecked. Slavery, McCarthyism, and the Hitler regime immediately come to mind. “Where were the leaders? Didn’t the people speak up? How could this have happened”? Well I’m sorry to say that we have arrived at another one of those horrible moments in time. Now let the vengeance begin.

By now we have all heard about how our President the genius acquired the gun belonging to Saddam, the “man who tried to kill my (his) dad” and had it mounted on one of the walls in his office. (If you have not heard this story please do us all a favor and crawl back under your southern or mid-western rock.). Never the statesman or pacifist, this imbecile can best be described as a man/boy with tunnel vision hell bent on revenge at any cost. Already some who had the courage to speak out against this administration have already found themselves in its crosshairs. Cartoonist Gary Trudeau is in danger of having his “Doonesbury” cartoon strip dropped by papers across the country as a result of an October 30 strip where Trudeau had Darth Vader Cheney say “Tell him to go “f*#?” himself.” www.nypost.com/gossip/31635.htm. As most of us know, this was the retelling of an actual incident involving D.V Cheney and Senator Patrick Leahy. So Cheney can actually say it and suffer no consequences but Trudeau after retelling the incident in his Doonesbury strip may loose his livelihood? Folks, again I don’t get it and this isn’t even math. When it became clear that this country was being taken over by a bunch of megalomaniacs, Trudeau began using his strip as a vehicle to expose the shenanigans engaged in by the Bush administration. It’s now payback time and he’s feeling the heat.

Three days after the second hijacking of the presidency, Boy George decided to flatten Fallujah. For a man who claims to value life above all else (the basis of his anti-abortion stand), he sure has no problem being the architect behind the death of 100,000 civilian deaths in Iraq since the start of this preemptive war www.reuters.com/newsArtic...D=6648908. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist or math wiz to know that using force that kills civilians on a large scale is a mistake…a big mistake.
And speaking of that war, “support our troops” has become an American mantra. The new national anthem. If I see another yellow, red, white or blue ribbon thingy stuck on the back of somebody’s car I think I will go insane. These troops who we are all being called upon to support, have not even been given the opportunity to have their votes counted and they are the ones fighting this fools war. Less that 24 hours after all of the polls were closed, George Bush was declared the winner of the latest election sham. But wait a minute: Our troops voted via absentee ballot which means that their votes have not yet been counted. Will they ever be??? How many of them voted to keep themselves in Iraq or Afghanistan killing people for no apparent reason? I’m just asking.

Someone please e-mail if I’m wrong but aren’t we in Iraq to get rid of the boogie man Saddam Hussein because he is such a bad man and that by banishing him, the Iraqi people will be able to live freely? Is Bush’s idea of freedom one where people are killed so they can be set free from the hell here on earth? If that is his agenda then perhaps we here in America are next on his list because each and every time I have to buy gas I feel like dying. P.S. isn’t Saddam Hussein gone already? If he is, why aren’t we gone already? I read somewhere that we are killing Iraqis’ for a good cause – peace and freedom. Tell that to the folks in Fallujah. This is another thing I just don’t get. This logic. It’s bizarre.

Good will triumph over evil.
A small pot is quick to boil.
For the most part, I believe in the good spirit of most of the American people. The more I believe that the election was once again rigged, I feel less annoyed by the folks in the so called red states. I believe that they have been just as manipulated as the rest of us. I think that they were seen as the group with eyes over which the wool could most easily be pulled.

I am hoping that sooner or later (hopefully sooner), that we will unite as a nation and show Bush and his evil cronies the White House door. This is a small man in stature, vision and brains yet very quick to ignite. America and the rest of the world do not deserve 4 more years of him.
“Who’s more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?” -Star Wars

Charlene

Edited by: Star at: 11/9/04 1:22 pm
Star
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Posts: 8
(11/9/04 4:05 pm)


It's me .....D
A powerful senator dies after a prolonged illness. His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.

"Welcome to Heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you."

"No problem, just let me in," says the guy.

"Well, I'd like to but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in Hell and one in Heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity."

"Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in Heaven," says the senator.

"I'm sorry but we have our rules."

And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down,down to Hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a club and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him, everyone is very happy and in evening attire. They run to greet him, hug him, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people.

They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster and caviar.

Also present is the Devil, who really is a very friendly guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he realizes it is time to go. Everyone gives him a big hug and waves while the elevator rises.

The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on Heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him. "Now it's time to visit Heaven."

So 24 hours pass with the head of state joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

"Well, then, you've spent a day in Hell and another in Heaven. Now choose your eternity."

He reflects for a minute, then the senator answers, "Well, I would never have said it, I mean Heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in Hell."

So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to Hell.

Now the doors of the elevator open and he is in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags. The Devil comes over to him and lays his arm on his neck.

"I don't understand," stammers the senator. "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and club and we ate lobster and caviar and danced and had a great time. Now all there is,a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable.

The Devil looks at him, smiles and says, "Yesterday we were campaigning. . .today you voted for us!"

firstsecret
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(11/10/04 12:39 pm)


Noel
Hi fam, just a little reminder that this coming Friday Nov 12th is the opening of NOEL. Please go see it the first week if possible that’s the week that counts. Lets show Daniel some well deserve support.

Also I heard the boys from Rescue Me did a photo shot for Maxim magazine. Not sure which issue though. Have you guys read the article that Freenote posted on the yahoo groups about Daniel? It mentions that Daniel may be playing Marvin Gay biopic. WOW!!!! :D . That would be phenomenal. Way to go D.

secret

ps: hi everybody and welcome all new members;)

kcool22
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(11/10/04 1:41 pm)


Redemption Song...
Hey all,
I am still reeling from the horrendous election results that have been handed down. Now, I got all my election coverage from the BBC so I heard the many views regarding the election from around the world. It is clear that the world had made a decision that Bush had to go.
But if I'm to believe the rhetoric I've heard, nationalisitc self preservation won out over common sense.
Maybe if more Americans were aware of what really was at stake they would have seen what we see and fear, because amidst all the issues that were thrown into the ring to decide this election the world only saw one truly important thing- a rampaging superpower. Rhetoric would also dictate that conservatism is now the cry of the American people but again, for those of us looking on from the outside we beg to differ. If religion is the championing cry of George Bushe's 'reign' how different is he from the knights of the crusades, who in the name of Jesus, killed and destroyed millions? Has history pronounced their actions just?
A foreign policy which demonises immigrants and ignores developing countries, that's what we here in Jamaica and the Caribbean see. Also knowing that if Americans suffer, we will suffer as well- discontented people don't usually have money to travel to sunny beaches.
I am particularly surprised in this regard of Colin Powell, who is of Jamaican descent and the son of first generation immigrants. If the Bush Administration is to be followed, there would be polarization within the Caribbean today, Why? Haiti. How could a country, epitomised as the very essence of Democracy allow or even be involved in the removal of a country's elected President? Regardless of the circumstances, the action set a bad precedent which should have the Caribbbean on high alert.
Basically it all comes down to the next four years, it is clear that the political powers that be have made their decision; middle america will once again, sit and when neccesary do what they must to Protect their cocoons, regardless of it's consequences and keep living happy idealistic lives.
As I see it, it's time for Americans to chart their own destinies, why wait till an election year to make known the grouses and problems of the disaffected? YOU will all have to do your part to nkae America better now.
Scary thought though come to think of it, a nation forced to make a decision for what is presumably the lesser of two evils and end up making one mainly because of fear. Fear cultivated by smoke screens and illusions.
America, think on these things, you are not alone...

War
Bob Marley


Until the philosophy which hold one race superior
And another
Inferior
Is finally
And permanently
Discredited
And abandoned -
Everywhere is war -
Me say war.

That until there no longer
First class and second class citizens of any nation
Until the colour of a man's skin
Is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes -
Me say war.

That until the basic human rights
Are equally guaranteed to all,
Without regard to race -
Dis a war.

That until that day
The dream of lasting peace,
World citizenship
Rule of international morality
Will remain in but a fleeting illusion to be pursued,
But never attained -
Now everywhere is war - war.

And until the ignoble and unhappy regimes
that hold our brothers in Angola,
In Mozambique,
South Africa
Sub-human bondage
Have been toppled,
Utterly destroyed -
Well, everywhere is war -
Me say war.

War in the east,
War in the west,
War up north,
War down south -
War - war -
Rumours of war.
And until that day,
The African continent
Will not know peace,
We Africans will fight - we find it necessary -
And we know we shall win
As we are confident
In the victory

Of good over evil -
Good over evil, yeah!
Good over evil -
Good over evil, yeah!
Good over evil -
Good over evil, yeah!


Peace, love and unity...
from JA
Kevin

firstsecret
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Posts: 13
(11/10/04 6:21 pm)


Article: Daniel on the cusp of stardom

In his relatively young career, Daniel Sunjata has shown a knack for picking roles. That two of his best roles to date -- the charismatic star baseball player in Broadway's "Take Me Out" and iconic writer Langston Hughes in the new indie film "Brother to Brother" -- happen to be gay ones also says a lot about the actor's sense of himself and his view of his profession.

Swarthy and handsome (it's not for nothing that he was named one of People's "Most Beautiful" in 2003), Sunjata, 32, seems on the cusp of stardom. Nominated for a Tony Award for his role as Darren Lemming in "Take Me Out," he can also be seen on the hit FX series "Rescue Me" as a Puerto Rican firefighter (the show will return for a second season). He's got a pair of feature films in the can: "Noel," in which he plays an office worker who dates Susan Sarandon, and "Melinda and Melinda," a Woody Allen film in which he has a small role.

Sunjata is currently in negotiations to play Marvin Gaye in a big-screen biopic of the Motown star. The role would surely catapult the actor to new heights -- but nothing's been signed yet.

For now, Sunjata is more than happy to talk about a much smaller film, the drama "Brother to Brother," which imaginatively interweaves the celebrated 1920s Harlem Renaissance (and its gay movers and shakers) and modern-day New York. Sunjata appears in the film's "vintage" sequences, which depict African-American writers Hughes, Zora Neal Hurston, Wally Thurman and Bruce Nugent as they launch the seminal publication "Fire!"

"I told my agent that I was interested in doing an independent film," says Sunjata. "They got me the audition to play Langston. It was great to play a historical character with relevance." Sunjata credits writer/director Rodney Evans with "helping me to cultivate a deeper appreciation for the man."

Winner of a Special Jury Prize at the 2004 Sundance Film Festival, "Brother to Brother" weaves social history and a story of friendship into its portrait of a young gay artist who connects with the now-elderly Nugent and discovers the gay voices of the Harlem Renaissance. Rather than romanticizing the era, Evans' film posits that such creativity, freedom and risk often came at a price.

The same could be said of Sunjata's career, but the actor would not have it any other way. Raised on the South Side of Chicago, he remembers watching annual productions of "A Christmas Carol" at the Goodman Theater. But the acting bug didn't bite him until years later.

Enrolled as a business administration major at Florida A & M, he realized he was "terrible at math and accounting" and ended up earning a theater degree from the University of Southwest Louisiana. He honed his craft in classical roles during the two years he spent at NYU's Tisch School of the Arts.

Sunjata says he's modeling his career choices on those of actors such as Philip Seymour Hoffman, who jumps from indie films to stage roles to mainstream features with seeming ease. Later this month, Sunjata will share the stage with another versatile actor of this ilk, Kevin Kline, when the two perform a staged reading of "Cyrano De Bergerac."

Sunjata isn't sure what will happen with that show, but he points out that "Take Me Out" began as a staged reading, too. It was 2000, and Sunjata had earned his Master's degree in theater from NYU just two years earlier. After a run in London's West End, the show premiered in 2002 at the Public Theater off-Broadway.

"We thought that was the gig. And we were thrilled with it," he says. But after great reviews, "Take Me Out" transferred to Broadway's Walter Kerr Theatre with most of its cast intact, under Joe Mantello's direction, and won 2003 Tonys for Best Featured Actor in a Play (Denis O'Hare, who plays Lemming's gay accountant), Best Direction of a Play (Mantello) and Best Play.

Sunjata and the play immediately set tongues wagging over a nude shower scene meant to underscore Lemming's tenuous relationships with his teammates. In an interview with Playbill, Sunjata said that despite his reservations about appearing naked onstage, he understood playwright Richard Greenberg's intent.

"Without nudity, I don't think Richard would have been able to underscore and illuminate the play's homophobic, homoerotic elements," Sunjata said. "But it did take some getting used to. From the first performance to the last, I was always self-conscious during the seconds preceding disrobing: 'Oh, God, I have to get naked.'

But there is the cliché that being nude in front of a group of people is kind of a liberating experience. I would say it was simultaneously liberating and unnerving. I'm now trying to keep my clothes on as much as possible."

MayasHeartBeat
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(11/10/04 8:03 pm)


Re: Redemption Song... Letter to the Red States
Written by a woman in New York. Think it echoes what most of us in New York think and feel about the state of our country. After the letter was published, the woman started receiving death threats.



Letter To The Red States





Sorry, I try not to deluge people with my ramblings. But I had to write this and, having written it, had to send it. Even though I don't know anyone I can send it to (without alienating my Republican in-laws, who are the only "middle country" people I know.) I am writing this letter to the people in the red states in the middle of the country -- the people who voted for George W. Bush. I am writing this letter because I don't think we know each other. So I'll make an introduction. I am a New Yorker who voted for John Kerry. I used to live in California, and if I still lived there, I would vote for Kerry. I used to live in Washington, DC, and if I still lived there, I would vote for Kerry. Kerry won in all three of those regions. Maybe you want to know more about me. Or maybe not; maybe you think you know me already. You think I am some anti-American anarchist becau! se I dislike George W. Bush. You think that I am immoral and anti-family, because I support women's reproductive freedom and gay rights. You think that I am dangerous, and even evil, because I do not abide by your religious beliefs. Maybe you are content to think that, to write me off as a "liberal" -- the dreaded "L" word -- and rejoice that your candidate has triumphed over evil, immoral, anti-American, anti-family people like me. But maybe you are still curious. So here goes: this is who I am. I am a New Yorker. I was here, in my apartment downtown, on September 11th. I watched the Towers burn from the roof of my building. I went inside so that I couldn't see them when they fell. I had friends who were inside. I have a friend who still has nightmares about watching people jump and fall from the Towers. He will never be the same. How many people like him do you know? People that can't sit in a restaurant without plotting an escape route, in case it blows up? I am a worker.! I work across the street from the Citigroup Center, which the government told us is a "target" of t errorism. Later, we found out they were relaying very old information, but it was already too late. They had given me bad dreams again. The subway stop near my office was crowded with bomb-sniffing dogs, policemen in heavy protective gear, soldiers. Now, every time I enter or exit my office, all of my possessions are X-rayed to make sure I don't have any weapons. How often are you stopped by a soldier with a bomb-sniffing dog outside your office? I am a neighbor. I have a neighbor who is a 9/11 widow. She has two children. My husband does odd jobs for her now, like building bookshelves. Things her husband should do. He uses her husband's tools, and the two little girls tell him, "Those are our daddy's tools." How many 9/11 widows and orphans do you know? How often do you fill in for their dead loved ones? I am a taxpayer. I worked my butt off to get where I did, and so did my! parents. My parents saved and borrowed and sent me to college. I worked my way through graduate scho ol. I won a full tuition scholarship to law school. All for the privilege of working 2,600 hours last year. That works out to a 50 hour week, every week, without any vacation days at all. I get to work by 9 am and rarely leave before 9 pm. I eat dinner at my office much more often than I eat dinner at home. My husband and I paid over $70,000 in federal income tax last year. At some point in the future, we will have to pay much more -- once this country faces its deficit and the impossible burden of Social Security. In fact, the areas of the country that supported Kerry -- New York, California, Illinois, Massachusetts -- they are the financial centers of the nation. They are the tax base of this country. How much did you pay, Kansas? How much did you contribute to this government you support, Alabama? How much of this war in Iraq did you pay for? I am a liberal. The funny par! t is, liberals have this reputation for living in Never-Neverland, being idealists, not being sensible . But let me tell you how I see the world: I see America as one nation in a world of nations. Therefore, I think we should try to get along with other nations. I see that gay people exist. Therefore, I think they should be allowed to exist, and be treated the same as other people. I see ways in which women are not allowed to control their own bodies. Therefore, I think we should give women more control over their bodies. I see that people have awful diseases. Therefore, I think we should enable scientists to try to cure them. I see that we have a Constitution. Therefore, I think it should be upheld. I see that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Therefore, I think that Iraq was not an imminent danger to me. It seems so pragmatic to me. How do you see the world? Do you really think voting against gay marriage will keep people from being gay? Would you really p! refer that people continue to die from Parkinson's disease? Do you really not care about the Constituti onal rights of political detainees? Would you really have supported the war if you knew the truth, or would you have wanted to spend more of our money on health care, job training, terrorism preparedness? I am an American. I have an American flag flying outside my home. I love my home more than anything. I love that I grew up right outside New York City. I first went to the Statue of Liberty with my 5th grade class, and my mom and dad took me to the Empire State Building when I was 8. I love taking the subway to Yankee Stadium. I loved living in Washington DC and going on dates to the Lincoln Memorial. It is because I love this country so much that I argue with my political opponents as much I do. I am not safe. I never feel safe. My in-laws live in a small town in Ohio, and that town has received more federal funding, per capita, for terrorism preparedness than New York C! ity has. I take subways and buses every day. I work in a skyscraper across the street from a "target." I have emergency supplies and a spare pair of sneakers in my desk, in case somethng happens while I'm at work. Do you? How many times a month do you worry that your subway is going to blow up? When you hear sirens on the street, do you run to the window to make sure everything is okay? When you hear an airplane, do you flinch? Do you dread beautiful, blue-skied September days? I don't know a single New Yorker who doesn't spend the month of September on tip-toes, superstitiously praying for rain so we don't have to relive that beautiful, blue-skied day. I am lonely. I feel that we, as a nation, have alienated all our friends and further provoked our enemies. I feel unprotected. Most of all I feel alienated from my fellow citizens, because I don't understand what you are thinking. You voted for a man who started a war in Iraq for no reason, against the wishes of the entire wo! rld. You voted for a man whose lack of foresight and inability to plan has led to massive insurgencies i n Iraq, where weapons are disappearing into the hands of terrorists. You voted for a man who let Osama Bin Laden escape into the hills of Afghanistan so that he could start that war in Iraq. You voted for a man who doesn't want to let people love who they want to love; doesn't want to let doctors cure their patients; doesn't want to let women rule their destinies. I don't understand why you voted for this man. For me, it is not enough that he is personable; it is not enough that he seems like one of the guys. Why did you vote for him? Why did you elect a man that lied to us in order to convince us to go to war? (Ten years ago you were incensed when our president lied about his sex life; you thought it was an impeachable offense.) Why did you elect a leader who thinks that strength cannot include diplomacy or international cooperaton? Why did you elect a man who did nothin! g except run away and hide on September 11? Most of all, I am terrified. I mean daily, I am afraid that I will not survive this. I am afraid that I will lose my husband, that I will never have children, that I will never grow old and watch the sunset in a backyard of my own. I am afraid that my career -- which should end with a triumphant and good-natured roast at a retirement party in 2035 -- will be cut short by an attack on me and my colleagues, as we sit sending emails and making phone calls one ordinary afternoon. Is your life at stake? Are you terrified? I don't think you are. I don't think you realize what you have done. And if anything happens to me or the people I love, I blame you. I wanted you to know that.


All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others. George Orwell <file://quotes/George_Orwell/>, "Animal Farm"

MayasHeartBeat
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Posts: 122
(11/10/04 8:22 pm)


Noel stuff :)
NOEL, NOEL! I heard for those of us who love rewinding/replaying films, FlexPlay is available on a 48-hour DVD for $5; but don't let it sit to long on that shelf 'cause it self-erases after 2 days.
www.amazon.com/exec/obido...91-1385663 (pre-order if you wanna', release is Nov 17)

www.noelthemovie.com/ (official website w/more pix + trailer)

Didn't find much DS activity on the official sites, but found a pic of Noel Premier Nite. :)
uk.fc.yahoo.com/041110/46/f6b76.html

Edited by: MayasHeartBeat at: 11/10/04 8:24 pm
Chen
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Posts: 9
(11/10/04 10:31 pm)


Re: Redemption Song... Letter to the Red States
Though we have come very far, a closer look will show that much has not really changed over the years:


www.selekta.com/map.jpg

Star
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Posts: 9
(11/11/04 3:24 am)


More Noel and Stuff
Hey Guys,

Here is some additional information on Noel. The movie’s main page is www.noelthemovie.com/index.htm Yes, it will be opening in the following cities this Friday: New York, Miami, Los Angeles, Atlanta and Chicago (double check with the theaters listed because the hyperlink is not active, but the theaters are listed) and the direct link for that page is: www.noelthemovie.com/now-showing.htm

On the main site you can view the trailer (unfortunately Daniel isn’t in the trailer). You can also view the slide show which shows one image of Daniel (eyes closed and smiling) with Susan Sarandon

You will be able to purchase a Flexpay (once the package is open the DVD will expire in 48hours) version of the movie for $4.99 beginning November 17, 2004 from Amazon.com and Netflix has some kind of promotional offer going on with the film too.

The film will also be airing on TNT on November 28 (Sunday) at 8 & 10 pm. Here’s the link to TNT www.tnt.tv/Movies/0,5992,,00.html and then you have to do a search for the film.

There are additional images of Daniel from his Florida visit for Noel, Noel Premiere in NYC and the Firefighters fundraiser on the following sites:

www.wireimage.com (search under Daniel Sunjata)

filmmagic.com (search under Daniel Sunjata)

www.gettyimages.com (search on the entertainment page under Daniel Sunjata)


Enjoy!

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