Sajuiil Registered User
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(11/9/03 12:55 am) Reply
How to fight a 584 HP lifetap
Its easy to defeat a necro by ignoring the pet and going straight for the kill, but what to do in case there was no chance to fire off the duelist discipline and kill in a couple of shots and the necro starts lifetapping like crazy 584 HP at a time?
While I resist 90% of DoTs and roots and other pure magic based spells, it is my understanding that the lifetaps are highly unresistible and fast casting, so interrupting by meleeing doesn't work all too well. Interruptions due to procs are completely unreliable. Are there any suggestions on how to deal with this lifetapping menace?
Also, does anyone know how to deal with the "wedged" necro or any other caster for that matter?
shankee Registered User
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(11/11/03 7:43 am) Reply
Necro's
Hmm ... Have you ever heard of Sean Pauls song Like Glue? That's basically what you have to do with Necro's. Pumice DMF, have weapon poisoned with snare poison then pop duelist. No let up, stick to his a$$. Lets see if he or she is willing to try and channel a lifetap thru a duelist rogue..hehe.. I bet they try and insta-gate on you..
Sajuiil Registered User
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(11/11/03 8:32 am) Reply
Re: Necro's
How high does MR have to be to resist the lifetaps? My MR is 176, DR/PR close to 120. The necro in question told me that her lifetap was only resisted once and it was by a named in SSRA. On the other hand I have heard there is something called "mana shield" that is supposed to make lifetaps harmless. Any idea exactly what it is and where to get it?
Duelist lasts only 12 sec and if Necro is any good they will shadow-step twice in that time, especially after seeing the discipline message. The big problem with Pumice is a 3 sec cast. Being within casting range you're also within pet's range and one has to be incredibly lucky not to get interrupted (without using disciplines) by a necro pet within 3 sec. I'm also dueling on blue server, that means no sneak attacks, full mana, fully buffed, ready-and-waiting necro and pet, etc. etc.
I have dueled this Necro several times, happens to be a friend of mine. My strategy was always sticking and the fights are somewhat close. But the even with my sticking she managed to lifetap at least three times -- shadowstep is a b..ch plus the pet does stun once in a while, plus channeling.
With all of this said, duelist is my best option but I was looking for a more reliable solution, especially since I want to win the rematch that will likely follow immediately after the first duel.
Re: Necro's
At 350 MR I resist maybe 1/20 lifetaps.
At 450 it is more like 10/20 with most of the ones that land being partials.
At 500 I resist around 17/20 with many critting for low 100's.
Basically, like has been said you need to really stick like glue. Your chances of beating a well geared lvl 65 necro who is experienced with PvP is nearly zero. If they have a 100k+ horse and really know there stuff I would say it is next to impossible to win in an outdoor zone.
Lethdarr Registered User
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(11/11/03 2:55 pm) Reply
Re: Necro's
touch of mulaki is -200 resist check, so aim for 500 if you wanna resist most of em!
Quote:I'm also dueling on blue server, that means no sneak attacks, full mana, fully buffed, ready-and-waiting necro and pet, etc. etc.
That's your problem right there. If you going to let the necro get all buffed up, with pet, full mana(most necros don't even need full mana heh) you might as well fight barehanded. You are a rogue so act like one and use the skills you got. There are some poisons that we make that can really screw a caster over (although necros are probably more deadly than the other casters due to their darn shadow gating). Here are the one's I would use on your "friend" :
1.Blind Poison
2.Feeble Mind
3.Paralyzing
Maybe after getting the blind off you can intimidate the pet? I dunno bout that part because I never tried but you gotta get those resists up as well. You are a trained assassin. Time to act like one.
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Sajuiil Registered User
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(11/13/03 2:51 pm) Reply
Re: Necro's
1) Poisons and especially blind (low chance of successful poisoning) will never stick to necro unless necro is dispelled, see my comments above about dispelling. As I mentioned before, its not the pet that kills me, its the lifetap.
2) Feeble mind is crap unless you manage to poison 3 times (a decent caster's mana pool is barely affected by even Tier IV feeble mind).
3) Paralyzing only helps a tiny bit when sticking, but I have little problems sticking anyway unless the shadow step is used. In that case, paralyzing poison has no use for me.
The duels are friendly and not in arenas. On a blue server only an idiot would accept a duel unprepared.
Thank you everyone for your suggestions. I seriously doubt I will be able to get my resists to 500 in the next two years (I'm not in a raiding guild), so I guess I will have to rely on pure luck.
Wildd Registered User
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(11/13/03 9:24 pm) Reply
mr
400 in any save seems to be the magic number for pvp
shankee Registered User
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(11/14/03 8:33 am) Reply
Necro's
If you are going to let Necro get fully buffed and make a pet. Your chances are nil, unless you get a Shammy to buff you fully. And even then, you still will get chewed up by a well played Necro. I also play a Necro on Vallon Zek, and the classes I easily kill are rogues, monks and warriors. Even the hybrids die too. Shadow Step is one of the main reasons.. Like the man said get those resists up and stick to him. Ignore pet, he shadowsteps, shoot arrow to find direction, rinse and repeat.
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EQFattius Registered User
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(3/1/04 11:56 pm) Reply
Re: Necro's
From my (admitadly limited) dueling experience, I have noticed that I can do quite well against any caster as long as I'm not snared. If you can keep them running or can start wacking on them as soon as they start casting, you have a pretty good shot at them. Once they land snare on you though, it's lights out. At that point they can kite you like an NPC and there ain't a thing you can do about it. Then again if you can dispell the snare right away, you may be able to still win. Then again, mostly casters are able to land snares on me no prob. =/
Re: How to fight a 584 HP lifetap
Because nobody said it, I'd like to say that rune cancels lifetaps ~
AstaKhaan Registered User
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(3/18/04 5:32 am) Reply
Re: How to fight a 584 HP lifetap
Some instacast rootwebs from the jailor in Permafrost takes care of that pet for at least a while. Wand of forlorn with 10 instacharges of clinging darkness could theoretically snare the necro if you get lucky and perhaps panic him.
Stinging wort potions to heal you up I guess, but they get sorta expensive if you want to offset every lifetap.
Re: How to fight a 584 HP lifetap
Necro taps are not a prob. Its the SK taps that are super lame. Seems like SK's dont even pvp anymore. These days they just Tap Tap Tap Tap......DT.
OK Ok maybe a few more Tap's in there.
Edited by: quepitus at: 3/24/04 12:38 am
Re: How to fight a 584 HP lifetap
man I wanna play on servers where sk's tap you down to dt range...on sullon its spear/spear/dt takes them one button push to do all 3 and you are dead in seconds.
Mallakith Registered User
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(3/30/04 11:55 am) Reply
Re: How to fight a 584 HP lifetap
lol i guess i shouldnt say this but what the hell...
I THINK my mains magelo is in the sig, if not he IS a 65 necro with said 584hp lifetap..
rogues major problem is that knowing a fight is coming I can actually (as has been said) shadowstep for the majority of duellist then alternate force shield and lifetap.
From my experience on the flip side is that around 450mr tends to resist saryrns kiss (184pt in pvp tap over time) and lifetap pretty much 80 - 90% (unfortunately now most top end guilds are getting said resists (( )
its VERY worth not forgetting the dr and fr tho while pvping a necro as funeral pyre is not a pleasant spell to be hit by. fast cast (3 secs with afflcition haste) and 200 a tick is not pleasant... and the 1000pt nukes if we see u dont resist the first can kill you fast.
You unfortunate that you cant sneak u on the necro as tbh thats the only time 1 on 1 i struggle to kill melee. (And stil tend to lol)
I would second the opinion that duelist is an option.. i know a warrior hit whatever crit disc he has and battered me down fast (again a shock tactic that ill be ready for again.
One last maybe would be dispel till u see the lev go then use hide and sneak. Kill dmf and you'll kill see invis as well on most necros still got the pet to worry bout tho.. ;-/
Re: How to fight a 584 HP lifetap
At 500 DR the spear resist rate seems to be about 50%. I'm convinced certain spells have a bonus to land beyond the resist check for PvE. For instance the magician spell Sun Vortex has no modifier at all yet it lands on 500 FR with greater frequency than Lure of Ro.
Reapperr Registered User
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(4/1/04 10:51 am) Reply
Re: How to fight a 584 HP lifetap
careful...even if you take off his see invis then hide.
if you are dotted. it wont matter.
if you want to be the best pker (without having to buy many things like potions, poisons, and other rogue things) change classes. Rogues are not meant for openly dueling someone.
our name is Rogue. not warrior.
necro's are great pkers. rogues arent. as bad as it sounds, you are Out Classed.
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