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MARBH
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(2/27/04 12:48 pm)
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Course easiest way to take him down would be a act of one of the gods.

LordOfChains
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(2/27/04 1:41 pm)
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'Wish'

Or an epic version thereof...

'Cuz I'm Psycho Like That...

Sillis Spineslicer
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(2/27/04 2:46 pm)
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A Wish (or Miracle) will not do jack really. Remember, Wish spells are powerful, but not nearly as poweful as they used to be. Basically if it can't already be done with a 9th level spell, a Wish won't do it either.

By the time you could pull off an Epic level Wish that might work, the Demilich wouldn't be a threat anyway (a CR 21 one, at least). A bigger Demi might have his own Epic Wish/Contingency spells as well.....

LordOfChains
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(2/27/04 9:44 pm)
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Bah, my idea was taken from a dungeon mag... relatively old issue tho...

Some guy used a wish to acquire some of the abilities of a vampire... permanently...

My idea was, if a wish could give abilities... it could take 'em away just as easily. For a limited time of course. :p

'Cuz I'm Psycho Like That...

Qutsemnie
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(2/29/04 12:35 am)
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why kill what you can bury alive and let go mad mad mad from years of sitting in the dark.


Does the guide say anything about demiliches being able to damage their own leg to get that pesky chain off?

Shadowcross 
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(2/29/04 2:17 am)
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what leg?

Silverblade the Enchanter 
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(2/29/04 4:27 am)
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...anti-magic field..
Bye by demilich

Silverblade the Enchanter 
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(2/29/04 4:34 am)
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Antimagic Sphere
Bye by lich!

LordOfChains
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(2/29/04 7:46 am)
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Actually, Silver... I entertained that Idea as well. Looked up "Dead Magic Fields" in the Forgotten Realms campaign, then looked over to Anti-Magic fields... Undead are not affected by the loss of magic. They won't be able to cast tho, but their immunity remains quite staunchly intact.

So... I figure that was cause for another Spell seed in the Epic Level Handbook

'Cuz I'm Psycho Like That...

Sillis Spineslicer
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(2/29/04 6:31 pm)
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Was just going to write about a potential Demi-Lich killer (Monk+Epic Feat Vorpal strike+ antimagic field) but the 3.0 PHB says Ki Strike is a supernatural ability, so it would stand to reason the Vorpal Strike feat would be as well. Ah well.


NO LOOPHOLE FOR YOU!

Friggin 3.5 PHB kindly omits that detail. /grumble

Mdar kelf
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(2/29/04 11:25 pm)
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Wish.

I wish he wasn't undead.

DM response. Turn it into an elemental, same stats.

I wish he wasn't a lich.

DM response. He isn't a lich. He is a demilich

I wish i had a distinct and clear advantage over the current demilich that would allow me to win this battle very quickly with little effort.

DM response. Your party is behind you.

trying to think of a way to wish it away that the DM couldn't turn into something else....

LordOfChains
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(2/29/04 11:50 pm)
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"I wish that mister demilich person of doom over thataway could only cast heal instead of harm as an innate spell like ability..."

second wish

"I wish that mister demilich person of doom over thataway will think that he's casting harm whenever he casts heal as an innate spell like ability..."

third wish

"I wish that mister demilich person of doom over thataway would switch places with his phylactery..."

'Cuz I'm Psycho Like That...

Ravenwinged Angel
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(3/1/04 12:08 am)
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why kill what you can bury alive and let go mad mad mad from years of sitting in the dark.

Um...thats what they do already. In fact, its usually the fact that some stupid PCs come stumbling in and disturbing his pondering the metaphysics of the universe that cause him to stop sitting alone in the dark in the first place.

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Does the guide say anything about demiliches being able to damage their own leg to get that pesky chain off?

So many things wrong with that statement. First being that a demilich is just a floating skull(or maybe hand). Second, even if you could chain one up and it might not be able to blast its body to get off the chain, I'd be damn impressed by the chain that the demilich couldn't simply obliterated.

Edited by: Ravenwinged Angel at: 3/1/04 12:11 am
DarkOmen42
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(3/1/04 3:24 am)
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Kill it with this. If you can bear to read it all, please try, its very interesting, and funny.

Hara

Arafain 
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(3/1/04 7:06 am)
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rofl...

yep....that would do it alright. 3500 points of minimum damage on one physical attack is impressive!

(edit - rofl just read a few pages down...one guy has it up to over 150 million d6's....)

-- Marauder Arafain Entreri, 65 Deceiver
-- Arafein Soulstriker, 54 Champion Relic (deceased)
-- Arafax Kokorozan, 20 Monk Giantfriend (missing)
-- Formerly of Requiem of Souls and Crusaders of Plilo
-- Formerly of The Rathe Server, now of Zebuxoruk

-- My ghetto gear
"Once, in the old west, a gentleman shot a professional gunfighter in the back. When asked why he didn't give the other chap a chance to draw, he replied, 'Well, he's dead and I'm alive and that's how I wanted it to be." -- from Red Planet, Robert A. Heinlein

Edited by: Arafain  at: 3/1/04 7:57 am
MARBH
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(3/1/04 7:52 am)
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Pretty much it comes down to any DM who lets it get this far has lost control of the rolling cart of PC antics anyway.

But if you did have someone get this far, just shunt their happy butt off into Ravenloft.
Here's your own personal kingdom, you can't leave. Have fun.

Jhani Vandolay 
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(3/1/04 8:37 am)
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"Pretty much it comes down to any DM who lets it get this far has lost control of the rolling cart of PC antics anyway."

Only if the GM doesn't know how to handle it, doesn't want it but let it happen anyway, and lets it overtake the game. It's entirely possible for GMs to govern epic level games that are both not restricted beyond the book rules, and not out of his hand. It's competency, not restrictions, that make a good GM.

Not to claim the status of a "real professional" in any one endeavor has been a small price to pay for the many benefits and pleasures of trespassing. ~Leo Lionni

DarkOmen42
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(3/1/04 8:40 am)
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Keep in mind, that character never went over level 20. Also, it was mentioned during that thread but the character would have poor hp and ac, but if it did hit you with its rock. You would be very very dead.

Hara

Arafain 
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Posts: 2485
(3/1/04 9:45 pm)
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unless you were a frenzied berserker!

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