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Qutsemnie
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(3/10/04 5:51 am)
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Re: Goal for a rogue by 65
As a nonraiding rogue the absolute mismeasure of your success is unbuffed attack.

Your interested in your max strengthed attack.

Cause let me tell you. In a world of finites like the nonbigtime guild rogue faces you got 2 overwhelming stats:
Raw attack + HP.

If your sacking either of those 2 for strength your making a mistake because str is easy to buff.

The bigtime raiding rogue thinks differently. Usually a piece is just uber better or its not. That type of rogue doesnt debate whether 25 str 150 hp 15 all resist is better then 20 str 165 hp 15 all resist because that upgrade almost never comes. That rogue saves his points/privaledge for "weak" slots.

The nonbigtime raiding rogue is faced with a much smaller set of stats. He typically only sees minor upgrades over any given month. "Trade offs" are often the only upgrade he sees. He very rarely sees the "huge upgrade".

That nonbigtime rogue usually has to make hard choices.

I advise you choose raw attack and hp.

Treat everything else except for resist as nonexistant.

If you use this "unbuffed attack" measure youll just fake your score when you start making tradeoffs. Youll look good on paper but be getting hosed when someone cast a strength buff on the party with the rogue that didnt use that measure.

Even the uber rogue would be wise to heed me. Theres lots of time gear that makes it really easy to completely screw up your vengence if you didnt first load up in the elemental armor.
Its very easy to load up on stuff that gives you great unbuffed attack via max str but when you start counting you only have vengence 15.

Unbuffed attack is really a bad measure. Best measure is just knowing what vengence number your at.

A good hobbyist rogue should shoot for vengence 25ish without epic. Thats a goal. Vengence 33 with epic. Completely feasible without guild support. Screw your stength. Strength is the same as attack but its also capped and buffable.









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Edited by: Qutsemnie at: 3/10/04 5:56 am
Peorth12
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(3/10/04 6:29 am)
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Re: Goal for a rogue by 65
I guess this comes down to what is an average rogue? IMHO, an average 65 rogue raids. Most 65 rogues are in guilds that raid. Even the most casual of guilds raid BoT minis, etc.

As such, i dont think its too much to ask to assume and average rogue has around 100 equiped attack.

Ex.
Stanos Bracers/Soft Leather Bracer of Gore (Veng 4)
Stanos Boots (Veng 3)
Stonewood Bow or Goblin Idol (Veng 2)
Spirit Wracked Cord (Veng 2)
Turtle Belt (Veng 2)
Epic (Veng 8)

All that right there is even buyable if need be (except Epic and Cord). Add on the Veng augs in LDoN, and i can imagine an average rogue hitting 1450 equiped attack.

Peorth
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mkondr
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(4/7/04 4:15 pm)
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Re: Goal for a rogue by 65
I am an elemental, close to time Rogue. I do not raid much but get an upgrade every so often. Yesterday i hit 4731 HP unbuffed with 1315 unbuffed atk, and 1292 ac -(. I got at least 3 slots that are in big need of upgrades (think I got enough points saved up for an elemental chain piece) so should get attack at least to 1330/1340. Keep in mind that all I got is stanos boots, belt of great turtle, ragebringer, ldon vengeance 2 augment on leggings and that's that for attack. Average elemental rogue easily can topple 1400-1450 atk range.

Lileden Shadowbane
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araxas
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Posts: 82
(4/8/04 1:08 pm)
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Re: Goal for a rogue by 65
original poster: I think you'd be much better served by stating what level of the game you play. Do you not raid? Are you in a small raiding guild? Is your guild Pre-NToV? Pre-VT? Pre-EP? Pre-Time? Clears all EQ?

Myself I'm not flagged for Elemental Planes or GoD, but am flagged for everything before that and VT.

Currently unbuffed, with zero EP gear but a lot of AA (350+)

5200 HP
1400 AC
1420 ATK
resists range from low of 215 to high of 260

Edited by: araxas at: 4/8/04 1:09 pm
iboozer
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(4/8/04 6:58 pm)
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Re: Goal for a rogue by 65
You can see my magelo. I am bazaar equipped. Certainly not with a huge bank account, but decent. I would say middle of the road to slightly above average compared to other bazaar equipped rogues. I'm around 3400hp and I think about 1300 atk before a str buff. I don't recall what I sit at with focus, I think close to 1350 atk.

iboozer - 65 Rogue of Bristlebane
<Legion of Obsidian Knights>
/tell me on Veeshan anytime!

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