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(5/23/02 11:06 am) Reply
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That turns me on.
As does seeing Jews die.
Fing Registered User
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(5/23/02 11:07 am) Reply
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This is not saying I support either side but really we must look at things with all of history in mind. Not just the life span of a man.
"But the swastika had a long life before Hitler and the Nazis. It has been for centuries a symbol of peace, laughter, joy and good luck. It is one of the oldest symbols of mankind. Its Nazi links are only a minor speck in its very long existence. It is a symbol that deserves a better treatment from history."
"The Swastika did NOT originate as a Nazi symbol of hatred.
SWASTIKA is derived from the Sanskrit word:
SVASTIKAH, which means 'being fortunate'."
I could go on to list more sites with true and valuable information relating to the swastika before Hitler adopted it. But Im not.
People of today have a direct hatred for the sign because either they or someone in their family was involved in the world wars. I personally see this as no reason to hate the sign. The sign didnt do it, the man did.
Oh yeah, guns dont kill people, people kill people.
Edited by: Fing at: 5/23/02 11:11:52 am
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(5/23/02 11:08 am) Reply
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Quote: Oklahoma was made for the purpose of moving out Indians and putting them there. Does that mean I should still think Oklahoma is immoral?
Are you trying to say that Oklahoma isn't immoral? Not to mention they suck at football.
Quote: Ok. That's a bad example, but maybe you can see what I'm saying. Some things are founded on bad principles, but could be good if just those bad things were removed.
I can see what you're trying to say. The problem is, removing anti-semetism from the Nazi (I'm not gonna type out the whole thing again) party is like removing God from the Bible.
You may as well just say you're a fan of extreme left wing socio-economic structures and be done with it.
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(5/23/02 11:20 am) Reply
Re: Naoh and his anti-Semitism
Normally, I wouldn't care.
But since you're attacking someone who defended me:
She was addressing my "Go fuck yourself, Jew" comment when she said that, stupid Jew.
Not to mention, I already addressed that. There is nothing racist about that statement. Let's pretend your name is Bob. If I said "Go fuck yourself, Bob" does that mean I hate every Bob in the world?
My second quote was sarcasm. I only said it because I knew you'd make a big deal out of it. As Jialesse said, I don't normally post things like that.
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(5/23/02 11:20 am) Reply
Re: Naoh and his anti-Semitism
Did I call Naoh Enlightened? Not directly (using his name), however he has at least shown greater intelligence than you or the originator of this thread have (Perhaps not in this thread, but in the past. He is a long time poster and if you have been around more than your minute number of posts would indicate, you should know this).
Much like the page you linked said, Symbols only have the meaning that you give to them. The Swastika has no meaning to me. I am not Jewish, nor was I alive in that time period, therefore any reaction along the lines of yours would be wholly inappropriate. If you are not Jewish, you must ask yourself why you care so deeply about such a cause. Where are your complaints about the treatment of Russian Jews by Stalin since you are so sensitive to the issue?
Anti-Semitism was not limited to the Nazi Party as you seem to think. Hatred of the Jews during the preceeding years of the war was present in the USA and in Europe as a whole. It was not the dominant feeling of the populace, but hatred of Jews was not the majority opinion in Germany either. Germany did have a higher percentage of Anti-Semitism than many nations, but overall support for the Nazi party by the populace was NOT because of the Anti-Semetic stance of some party members, they supported National Socialism because it offered the common German a way out of the horrible depression they had been mired in for years.
You seem to think that anyone sporting a Swastika is instantly Anti-Semetic. THAT is why I am questioning your lack of intellect.
Go back in time and tell the 900,000+ Members of the Waffen SS (many of whom were forbidden to even BE in a political party) or the 400,000+ members of the Luftwaffe (and so on) that they are Anti-Semetic. They were soldiers in uniform fighting for their country, like the standard grunts from the USA, GB, USSR, or any other nation of the time. It was unfortunate (in retrospect) that their state supplied uniforms sometimes bore the Swastika in addition to other insignia, and that the planes they flew and tanks they drove bore the symbol as well. With very few exceptions most of them did not care for the (mis)treatment of the jews nor did they hate the Jew more than anyone else...they were fighting a battle they could not win-they were fighting tooth and nail for the survival of Germany, whose defeat was known to be inevitable by every citizen of Germany (save that lunatic Hitler and his inner circle of delusional followers), and they were preoccupied with more pressing matters than to worry about the presence of a Swastika on their collar/pocket/shoulder/etc.
You give the Swastika a value/meaning that I do not. Just because you choose to do so does not make either one of us right or wrong. Claiming people as being Naive or Anti-Semetic because they disagree with your belief is juvenile, and in turn makes you no better than those you criticize so harshly.
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(5/23/02 11:21 am) Reply
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Nope. Read Revelations.
It's interesting even if you don't believe in God/Christianity, mainly because if you believe in the faith, it's a sign of eternal hope.
If you don't subscribe to the faith, you want to learn which island John was exiled to so you can find the plant that he ate to give him that hallucination.
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(5/23/02 11:23 am) Reply
Re: Naoh and his anti-Semitism
Sorry to bring your world down around you, but Hitler was jewish, many of his officers were as well. Deny it all you want, you're just running from the truth. And shame on those who have defended Naoh. Unless you stand behind all the comments he has made.
One more thing, the nazi party was on the far right of the political spectrum, adamantly opposed to socialism (seen in their view of the supremacy of the german people, while socialism sees class as supreme). Though, in political reality, they are pretty much identical.
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(5/23/02 11:25 am) Reply
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Fundy, you are a dumbass. Hitler was not Jewish. However, he was not Aryan, which is what he was saying was the master race. That was his contradiction, not that he was Jewish.
None of Hitler's generals or advisors were Jewish.
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(5/23/02 11:28 am) Reply
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from the Jewish Virtual Library at us-israel.org:
Quote: One of the most frequently asked questions we receive is whether Adolf Hitler was Jewish or had ancestors who were. The idea seems to arise from the remote possibility that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Hitler's father, Alois, was registered as an illegitimate child with no father. Alois' mother worked in the home of a wealthy Jew and there is some chance a son in that household got the woman (i.e., Hitler's grandmother) pregnant. Adolf Hitler was not Jewish.
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(5/23/02 11:37 am) Reply
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Naoh, originally, I was going to call you an unoriginal bastard for pulling the same stunt darrian did. But I can't blame you: Watching idiots try to teach intelligent people (who have more than an 8th grade education) about history is DAMN amusing. Not to mention they're still stupid enough to call you racist just for having it.
Now, ordinarily, I just say "shoot the morons", but today, I am feeling amiable. I shall explain what's going on to the raging twits talking out of their well-fucked sphyncters.
1.) That sign was a symbol long before the Nazi party existed. It was a sign of bad luck or karma, if I remember correctly. One facing the opposite direction was good luck or karma. Several organizations used it long before the Nazi's, but none of them are as well know. You could argue that he's intentionally provoking you: and he is. I, for one, don't care if you're offended by my personal pic, and I doubt naoh gives a flying fuck either.
2.) Naoh, as far as I know (and I've known him 2 years+) is not anti-sematic(spelling?). You call him racist, he responds with racial slurs. Even if he proves you wrong you'll still hold your ignorant views, so he might as well make you at least halfway accurate. (and anger your feeble mind a bit more in the process)
3.) 99% of the people here know more than you will ever know, about this topic and others. I'm actually one of the less intelligent people here, and even *I* can see it. You will not win by making up history lessons, especially not horribly accurate ones. This may work in special school debate class, but not here.
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(5/23/02 11:39 am) Reply
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Why should I not like them? They feed you almost as well as Italian families.
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(5/23/02 11:40 am) Reply
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Who gives a @#%$!....
Obviously this symbol goes back way farther than WWII. If Noah does hate jews...who cares..there are plenty out there who do...
Let the guy say what he wants we are in a free country. As far as I can tell I have never seen a post by Noah that intimated hge was actyually racist. Admittedly, it is odd that he uses the symbol, but if he is using it to represent the SUN, who are we to tell him that it isnt. Its' use in this context can obviously be supported...
I am no racist Nazi, but dont we have something better to talk about?... Its not like yelling at some antisemite is going to change their views anyway.
Is Noah racist?...I dont know, and I dont care...why do you?
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